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I think the problem here is that there isn't just one way in which Donald Trump is unduly influenced by Russia in ways that are difficult to explain. I can understand being skeptical, but there's several independent actions Trump has taken that are all inexplicably sympathetic to Russian interests.

Just some quick examples:

* Recommending American de-nuclearization while stating that Russia is no longer a threat to America.

* Dismantling cybersecurity programs that are intended to identify and counter Russian hacking efforts.

* Peace negotiations with Ukraine and Russia that require no concessions made by Russia.

All of these actions are being taken despite polling poorly with Americans. You could say that none of these definitively proves that there is Russian leverage over Trump and you would be technically correct. The flip side of that coin is that you also can't explain why these actions are in America's best interest.




You forget that Trump's enemies are all married to this narrative of Trump as Russian asset. So I'm very clear that he will try to destroy as many as these people as possible during his second term. This includes all the people pushing support for Ukraine, which is seen as a Biden project. It has nothing to do with helping Russia and more with his personal preservation in power.


Respectfully, you're chalking a lot of this administration's questionable behavior that consistently benefits Russia up to temporarily aligned goals based on his fragile ego and fear of rightful imprisonment.

I'm not saying that you're wrong, but that is an awful lot of accidental benefit for Russia and precious few others. Far too much for my tastes.


> Trump's enemies

Do you mean political rivals or do you have actual evidence the Democratic party is trying to kill him.


The definition of "enemy" is not limited to "people that are trying to kill you"


You don't have to be murderous to be an enemy. They clearly want to throw him in prison, so isn't that enough for someone in that position to call them enemies?


> several independent actions Trump has taken that are all inexplicably sympathetic to Russian interests

Is it really inexplicable though? Or is it more plausible that you simply don't understand the motives, and probably haven't really tried?


Well, we can't understand the motives, because Trump won't tell us, and even if he did, it's not like we shouldn't be skeptical of whatever he might say.

I do think another plausible explanation is that Trump has dictator envy and idolizes Putin, and so he tries to emulate him and do things that would make him happy.

But it's not clear how far something like that would go. I think it's reasonable to suspect that Putin has something that he can use as leverage over Trump, but that's of course near-impossible to prove at this point.


You obviously understand how these actions benefit the country of which Donald Trump is the President.

Why don't you explain it to the rest of the class?


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You just said a lot of things that are easily disproven.

>war being waged in an unknown place

It's Ukraine. They've been an ally in a strategic location for decades. Just because you can't find it on a map doesn't mean I can't.

>for an unknown reason

They were invaded by Russia.

>But funding the dictator Zelensky so that he can capture people who do not want to fight for him and send them to certain death in storm troop units is unreasonable behavior, and from a Christian point of view, even disgusting.

Thanks, comrade.


>They've been an ally in a strategic location for decades.

Ally in what? Typical gaslighting.

Before the invasion, no one could find Ukraine on a map and no one considered it an ally (if they even knew it existed). To such extent that many Ukrainians in the USA before 2014, when introducing themselves, often said they were from Russia - just to avoid having to explain what is Ukraine.

>They were invaded by Russia.

Yes. But what is the war being fought for? What is the end game? Because without an answer to this question, any support for Ukraine looks like warmongering. And for some reason, no one answers it, making the whole situation look like the war is being waged to busificate and kill all Ukrainian men (except for the privileged relatives of officials who successfully left the country despite the ban).


>> They were invaded by Russia.

> Yes. But what is the war being fought for?

Someone breaks into your home. Kills family members. They're still coming in.

You tell your kids to get behind you. Then you turn to face the invader.

That's what this war is being fought for.


Funny that people don't want to have this perspective in the case of Gaza.


>You tell your kids to get behind you.

Rather, you hide behind your children, the invaders scream that they only want your money, but you kick the children closer to the attackers so that they slow them down at the cost of their lives, while simultaneously locking your front door and barricading the windows so that the children cannot escape from the house instead of dying at the hands of the attackers, as you want.

The children are crying, screaming that they don't want to die, asking you to let them go. But you are adamant: they must die for you.

Why? For what? There is no answer. Their job is to die, not to ask questions, and if they don't want to die at the hands of invaders, they will die at your own hand.


Poor, poor Russia. They're the real victims in all of this.




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