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It is kind of weird. Why does a life insurer have 100,000 employees. I'm really only familiar with term life. All the "customer service" is pre-purchase. Once you buy it, you forget it other than making the annual payment. There's nothing to manage, no real customer service required until and unless you die.

I suppose whole life where there is a cash value and investments being managed might have a more ongoing service need, but I'm not familiar with that.






I think that must be somebody’s estimate or maybe just guess as to the total number of employees in the industry.

I seems a bit high to me, but I don’t know anything about the industry. FWIW, around 170k people die per day.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43918053

This doesn’t establish any sort of mathematical bounds, but it gives an idea of the size of the problem. I suspect 100k employees is an over-estimate just because a lot of people are uninsured…


I work in the industry at a startup insurtech, we are a life insurance carrier (wysh.com - our flagship product is a b2b micro life insurance benefit, but we built that on top of a term life carrier and also sell d2c term life)

Allianz has ~150k employees but certainly they don't all work on the term life business in the USA, they do all kinds of other insurance stuff all over the world and have hundreds of different products.

For term life specifically, there still are some pretty significant back office teams that a customer probably never interacts with directly, though. A few that come to mind:

- underwriters: you wont be able to make a decision for all of your applicants based on the info they provide you and the info you can pull from automated sources, so some number of humans are on the phone with your applicants asking clarifying questions, doing additional research, and making risk decisions. They're also routinely doing retrospective analysis that looks back on claims paid out to make sure the claims are reasonable and there's not some sort of gap in the underwriting approach thats leaving unknown risk on the table, and audits of automated underwriting decisions to make sure the rules engines are correctly categorizing risks

- actuaries: every company has varying risk tolerance for both the policies they issue and the cash they hold/invest. These people are advising on how to take risks and working with underwriters and finance people to try and figure out the financial impact of various underwriting decisions: can a product remain viable if it is purchased by a heavier balance of smokers vs nonsmokers, etc

- accountants and finance: its a capital-intensive business that requires large cash reserves and sane investment strategy for that cash, often subject to tests by regulators or industry associations and all sorts of lengthy audits

- compliance: in the US, life insurance is individually regulated by each state. Many states join the ICC Compact and agree to all follow the same rules and have a single set of regulatory filings, but you still have plenty of other states to do filings with, analyze changing requirements from, maintain relationships with regulators, respond to regulatory complaints or investigations, etc

- industry reporting: most insurance carriers participate in information-sharing programs like the MIB (Medical Information Bureau) and these memberships come with various reporting and code-back obligations. The goal is to prevent you from getting declined at one life insurer because you say you have some sort of uninsurable illness and then turning around and lying about not having that illness to another life insurer the next day. These sort of conflicting answers get flagged for manual review, someone will need to talk to the applicant and figure out why they gave conflicting info to multiple insurers and what the truth really is.

- claims and fraud investigations: many, many people lie to try and get insurance they aren't qualified for or to take out insurance on someone they aren't supposed to. Claims investigations start by asking "is the insured really dead" but then try to answer the questions like "did the insured know this policy was taken out on them", "were the responses the insured gave during underwriting truthful", etc. These investigations are extremely time consuming and often involve combing public records, calling doctors, interviewing family, and more. You'd probably be shocked how common it is for former-spouses to try and take out insurance policies without the other knowing during divorces. Some level of this investigation is happening in the first couple of years a policy is in force, too, as insurers can rescind the policy and refund the premiums if they determine it was obtained under false pretenses

- reinsurance: even the biggest insurers typically pool and share some amount of risk so that a bad claims year can't take down an entire carrier. reinsurance treaties are complex things to negotiate and maintain, and have lots of reporting obligations and collaboration between the reinsurer and the actuaries to validate the risks are what everyone thinks they are

The customer-facing part of a term life company is really just the tip of the iceberg. Small companies are certainly better at doing this with tech than bigger incumbents (thats a big part of the reason we exist at Wysh), and a narrow product focus really helps, but there's still some pretty significant levels of human expertise involved to keep it all running.


> You'd probably be shocked how common it is for former-spouses to try and take out insurance policies without the other knowing during divorces.

If they were receiving spousal support (“alimony”) or child support, this seems unsurprising and sensible.


The important detail there is doing it without the knowledge of the (former) spouse.

You need both an insurable interest and consent of the insured in order to buy an insurance policy on someone else’s life.

Couples separating and holding policies on each other is pretty common and carriers have some specific rules to follow to make sure there’s appropriate mutual consent for policy changes etc




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