The US and many other countries have been buying Israeli surveillance tools for ...

lysp · 2025-05-05T05:50:27 1746424227

> The US and many other countries have been buying Israeli surveillance tools for years or decades.

Yes, tools like Cellebrite and zero-day exploits.

Those are tools which are used to spy on people outside of the government.

This is a tool that has data created by the government.

duskwuff · 2025-05-05T03:34:45 1746416085

> I would hope that any message archiving is being done on an organization-owned server though.

There's compelling evidence that the messages all pass through TM servers before being archived.

https://www.404media.co/the-signal-clone-the-trump-admin-use...

userbinator · 2025-05-05T05:03:21 1746421401

There's compelling evidence that the messages all pass through TM servers before being archived.

The question is where the E2E encryption goes between.

Klonoar · 2025-05-05T06:54:43 1746428083

The E2E encryption is likely not even relevant, unless I'm missing something?

The builds that are distributed would likely just send the plaintext un-encrypted message separately to the archive, and I'm guessing that means it goes right to TM servers before being dispatched elsewhere.

Y_Y · 2025-05-05T08:48:05 1746434885

Ah yes, it's end-to-end alright, end-to-end cleartext.