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Does SQLite try to embrace, extend, and extinguish their competitors?


Embrace, Extend, Extinguish is from an era where Open Source wasn't the default for infrastructure.

I don't know how you can extinguish something that's MIT licensed and has a million copies around the world.


I've read at least several stories from this era like AppGet's https://medium.com/@keivan/the-day-appget-died-e9a5c96c8b22

I wouldn't trust Microsoft near my open source code base in 3 centuries

They can extinguish it by just stealing all the code, and using their bigger marketplace advantage to become the defacto standard.


I'm fairly impressed Microsoft managed not to name their Redis competitor "Cache", just to pollute the keyspace like they do with so many of their other products.


LMAO they're so evil its even mildly funny


I guess it will depend on your definition of "extinguish" and a few other things but:

gestures wildly at the MIT-licenced VSCode codebase

Yes, they are not rug pulling the VSCode source but by locking down the marketplace (and never giving a truly open source VSCode, what developers think of as "VSCode") they are in the processes of locking out forks.


Ah so this is like how Android being open source was (almost) always bullshit. You had to play all kinds of google dances to get the google apps on them.

Fair point! good example of an attempt to extinguish.


I couldn't agree more with the Android comparison, I made the same comparison to VSCode a few days ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43787009


Does Microsoft do this in 2025?

Like seriously - I haven't heard of them doing it in quite a long time. I know they were atrocious in the 90s and 00s, I'm not disputing that at all. Are there any examples of them continuing this behavior in the last decade though?

Further, a huge percentage of the people making those decisions back then are no longer with the company, different people are in charge, etc. The industry has changed it's relationship with open source - company board rooms aren't scared of the consequences of loading open source onto a server, the legality and liabilities have been hashed out, and MS isn't really even capable of pulling those fear levers anymore. MS itself has repositioned in the industry - their dreams of total computing dominance have been shattered: there's no chance of a windows derivative owning the server market any more, there's no money in browsers or consumer OSes (heck even MS's domination in gaming is showing cracks due the the efforts of valve). Point being - would it even make strategic sense for them to try to EEE anything anymore?

Note: I have almost no ties to MS. I haven't used an MS os or desktop software since before covid (in any capacity, even moving the mouse on a computer running windows). I don't use any of their SaaS products personally or professionally. There are integrations between the products I help build and azure, however those are not a major source of revenue for my employer and I do very little work that even touches that stuff. Point being - I'm pretty non-MS in my life and don't have any sort of loyalty or incentive to defend them. I do abhor their EEE actions back in the 90s and 00s when they were doing them, and those still make me angry... but that's not a reason to assume that different people at a company are going to act the same as the old-school ones.


Just read this a few days ago, so maybe the behaviour is better than it was, but still. Here is the link: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43750535




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