Well, at least maybe your moral compass needs some calibration? I typically go out of my way to avoid personal attacks here. But it's hard to do so if the reaction to "people get detained and locked up for more than a month with bad medical care" is: "oh great, no more far left".
We not should celebrate a slide into authoritarianism, which always starts with bullying weakly-positioned groups first, but the government has already floated with the idea of deporting Americans (and apparently already deported American kids [1]).
Do you actually prefer if people with a different political view than yourself are just… removed?
I don’t even know where to start with that. Consider whether you have a broken moral compass or something. Consider moving to an actual dictatorship country instead of supporting the introduction of dictatorship in a new country?
Edit: beaten to the “moral compass” thing. Well said, above.
> Do you actually prefer if people with a different political view than yourself are just… removed?
Do you think that the whole "diversity statement" and DEI shticks were exactly tools of removal of people with different political views from academia?
US academia political activity is what made it attractive target for Trump administration. I'd prefer that it didn't happen or that US didn't have a president willing to destroy the academia, but I'd also prefer that universities would act as non-partisan entities. I think Boaz Barak summarized it well [1]
On a separate note, US searching/detaining/refusing entrance to other countries' nationals happened all the time [2,3,4,5,6,7], I don't think it's newsworthy or should change your position on visiting US.
Wait, what. Are you saying that refusing to comply with quarantine measures is comparable with expressing a (legal to express, under the first amendment) opinion?
What argument are you actually trying to support with that barrage of references?
I noticed there was no #3 in your list: there's no reason to be mean if you're trying to have a genuine discussion. You could actually just stop with "there's no reason to be mean" -- what purpose does that serve? (Trying to hurt others?)
I (another third party) still don't know what you're trying to say. It seems like you are equating "private citizen physicians not accepting patients who refuse to follow medical advice with respect to vaccinations" with "the government is deporting people with different opinions on the Israel/Palestine conflict"? Or generally equating "public health" with "differing opinions"?
I absolutely think they are different. Measles is back now in the US and puts everyone at risk of physical harm, because people have chosen to not get vaccinated without good reason. I don't think that is remotely comparable to differing opinions on the ethical situation between Israel and Palestine.
I think it would be more fruitful if you spend some time refining your message to distill what you're trying to say. Maybe less is more.
Yes, everyone, including those with preexisting immunity, because of the risk of breakthrough infections.
Previous infection as well as the vaccine is only 97% effective against future infection, which means a significant amount of people are getting sick despite making the right choice and getting vaccinated. The fringe loonies are ruining things for everyone.
Ah. Let’s all be cool and un-emotional and let the children die from a preventable disease. Because cool heads are more important than lives. Right, got it. You’re an idiot. Bye!
Really? You’re writing that “Being quarantined for expressing an opinon is bad”, as if that’s a thing that happened.
People were quarantined in order to slow down spread of a disease. When they broke quarantine, they were hunted down and detained because they broke (Australian) quarantine laws. If you can contort yourself into believing any of those cases were about freedom of speech, let me know.
Likewise, laws were passed to mandate vaccines for certain jobs. Some who refused lost their jobs over it. This was not about speech or freedom of opinion. It was about protecting the lives of people they interacted with in their jobs.
As far as I know, millions of people around the world protested in public about the lockdowns, quarantines and other measures. I the US, at least, they were allowed to do that. I know China didn’t permit such protests, but this debate is not about China. You are intentionally conflating freedom of speech and freedom to do various other things, and then accusing me of not debating in good faith.
In the links I so helpfully provided ( I will focus on #8 ), Guardian did note that FB was tasked with combating 'vaccine hesitancy'. And did FB take actions to combat that hesitancy in US? If so, is that censorhip? If so, is it related to speech?
If you want to know what happened at a private tech giant in California, ask someone who works there or an investigative reporter who writes about such things.
I notice that you’re not disputing my claims that nobody in the US was secreted away in a concentration camp over a refusal to vaccinate, or over refusing to comply with quarantine rules. You’re also not disputing that refusing vaccines is not an act of speech.
You’re just trying to exhaust me by throwing a lot of arguments at the wall to see what sticks. It’s not working; you’re not convincing me that the US government under Trump is not breaking new ground by removing people’s rights.
Why indeed? I suppose we will need to do some meta analysis.
Is it because maybe your post attempted to undermine my point by stating:"Really? You’re writing that “Being quarantined for expressing an opinon is bad”, as if that’s a thing that happened."?
<< I notice that you’re not disputing my claims that nobody in the US was secreted away in a concentration camp over a refusal to vaccinate,
Why should I? It is not a claim I made, nor is it my objection. You can have it. Hope you feel more validated.
<< You’re also not disputing that refusing vaccines is not an act of speech.
Amigo. I want you to focus. You are already all over the place and I do not want to distract you with shiny stuff on the horizon. We will get there.
<< you’re not convincing me that the US government under Trump is not breaking new ground by removing people’s rights.
Because, my fake false equivalency buddy, I am not arguing that, despite you clearly trying so very, very hard to impose that framework onto this conversation. You might be trying, so c for effort?
<< If you want to know what happened at a private tech giant in California, ask someone who works there or an investigative reporter who writes about such things.
Hmm. So things only happened if they are investigated by a reporter?
