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I doubt that seeing the Fox spin on US events would persuade many people that the US is currently a place of rationality and the rule of law.


Doesn't the crime rate go down when Republicans hold the power?

I think the crime rate is a major concern for every tourist.

Doesn't Florida have a much lower crime rate than California? As a tourist, I rather visit Florida than California.


> Doesn't the crime rate go down when Republicans hold the power?

I don't think that's true—or at least, not a strong correlation. Crime rates were going significantly down since the early 90s, regardless who is in power. There was a smaller spike during COVID years, which has I believe returned to normal.

> I think the crime rate is a major concern for every tourist.

It is, but it isn't the only concern, and ICE sending tourists to prison is by definition not a crime, but is just as relevant to potential tourists.

> As a tourist, I rather visit Florida than California.

I really don't think you really want to look at the state level crime rates, you should look at the crime rate for the place you're going to visit. For instance, the violent crime rate in Florida was 260 per 100k people in 2022 (according to Wikipedia)... but if you're going to Walt Disney World, specifically: it's a whole lot less.


Yeah, tourists like to go to places with low crime rates. In fact, when I’m a tourist, I pick where to go solely based on the crime rates!


I hope that's true. In some places there are high chances to be robbed, killed or kidnapped as a tourist. The more wealthy you seem to the criminals, the higher the danger.


> Doesn't the crime rate go down when Republicans hold the power?

Federally? There's no reason to think the federal government changing hands would impact local crime rates. Overall violent crime has seen steady decline from the 1970s to the present day. [1] That period has seen both Democratic and Republican administrations.

At the state level it's a different picture. 8 of the top 10, and 17 of the top 25 states for homicide rate are "red" states.[2] I think poverty and per-capita income rates in a state are a better predictor of crime rates than which party is specifically in power.

> Doesn't Florida have a much lower crime rate than California?

If you consume exclusively right-wing news media (or your favorite social media ragebait) you'd have that impression. Depending on your source they're either about equal (FBI stats) over the past 2 decades or Florida's murder rate is higher (CDC).[2] Either way it is not "much lower". For "much" lower I'd go to states like Massachusetts, Utah, or Hawaii which have murder rates closer to Western Europe.

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States#Cri...

2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territ...


I'm not sure if that's sarcasm or not. I'll answer assuming it's in earnest.

> Doesn't the crime rate go down when Republicans hold the power?

Does it? And what about police brutality? As a tourist, I'd rather go to a country where I'm less likely to be treated badly by the police.

> As a tourist, I rather visit Florida than California.

I think this in general has very little to do with crime rates. There are confounding factors. I'd rather not visit Florida regardless of crime rate.


>Does it? And what about police brutality? As a tourist, I'd rather go to a country where I'm less likely to be treated badly by the police.

Why would the police treat you bad? I you don't commit any crime it's most likely you have nothing to do with the police.


> Why would the police treat you bad? I you don't commit any crime it's most likely you have nothing to do with the police.

It's not true, in general, that police won't treat you badly as long as you don't commit a crime. (As an aside, you also have to interact with police officers if you've been the victim of a crime, and again, there's no guarantee they'll treat you well in this situation either).

Same with border officers.


Plus it's false that the rest of the world doesn't get the Fox spin along with the CNN spin. We get both.


Really? In my country, CNN is Coca cola and Fox is Dr. Pepper


I do not understand this analogy!

For me, Coke tastes like acid, and Dr. Pepper is sweet and spicy.

But... uh... that doesn't translate well when applied to sources for "news".


Like the sibling comment, I don't understand the analogy.

Also, I'd like to emphasize what someone said elsewhere in this comments section: the rest of the world doesn't see the US through the "CNN vs Fox" lens, that's almost exclusively an American phenomenon.


> Like the sibling comment, I don't understand the analogy.

Ubiquitous (distribution) versus relatively limited (distribution).




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