Businesses don't "pay" VAT, they collect and remit VAT on behalf of the tax authority. A business (supplier) that doesn't sell to end consumers pays no VAT, even though they collect a lot and reclaim a lot. It fully nets out.
> A business (supplier) that doesn't sell to end consumers pays no VAT
They indeed pay no net VAT (it's not a cost for them in the sense of their profit and loss statement), but they do remit a bit of the VAT collected by the end consumer to their _local_ tax authority.
As an example, let's consider a VAT rate of 20%, and a Dutch company that buys from a French one and sells to a German one. Their costs per product are €80, and thus they pay €16 of VAT over that to their French suppliers. If they sell a product for €100 (i.e. they add €20 of value), then they collect €20 of VAT from their German buyers (which might in turn get it from the end consumers). There's a difference of €4 between what they received and paid in VAT, and that difference is collected by the Dutch tax authority. That €4 is not coincidentally the 20% VAT over the value added by the Dutch company.
Wrong, wrong, wrong. When the good passes from one country to the next, the vat from the first country is given back - as if it was bought tax-free - and the VAT of the country you're in applies.
Before the EU common market, you used to be able to do that VAT refund even for your own purchases as a private person on vacation - you can still, for example between the EU and Switzerland. It was even translating to tax-free vacation shopping because they weren't interested in collection taxes below a certain value.
No, that's not how it works. If a business sells to another business, then the buyer is the consumer, and VAT has to be paid. And of course they have to sell with a profit.
Many B2B offers and proposals are negotiated or priced without VAT mentioned, but it is absolutely added to the bill.
The only time it "nets out" is if a business has the same expenses for their purchases as for their sales, meaning they're soon bankrupt.
It nets out to everyone but the final consumer. Imagine 30% VAT rate:
Alice digs up some copper and tin and sells it to Bob for 10€ + 3€ VAT = 13€. Alice remits the 3€ to the authorities on Bob's behalf.
Bob casts bronze bars and sells them to Carol for 39€ + 11.70€ = 50.70€. Bob claims a 3€ refund for VAT he paid Alice and remits 11.70€ to the authorities on Carol's behalf.
Carol makes a sculpture from the bronze and sells it to a customer for 1014€ + 304.20€ VAT = 1318.20€. Carol claims a 11.70€ refund for VAT paid and remits 304.20€ to the authorities.
The end customer ends up paying 100% of the total VAT (304.20€). Everyone else nets out to 0.
That's just mental gymnastics. In the end the customer pays 100% of the costs a business has, that's completely obvious. Then we can say that businesses don't pay payroll tax either, because all salary costs are also baked into the price of the final products to customers.
You're correct with your calculations, but it's not honest to say that the customer pays the VAT and therefore it nets out for a business.
What's happening is that a business gets refunded by the government for any VAT they pay. Alice charges Bob VAT. Alice remits the money to the tax authorities who then refunds Bob the money they paid.
If after paying payroll taxes, the government decided to hand all the money back, that would be VAT. The only one who doesn't get refunded is the final customer.
No, I've been trying to explain that this is a myth. A business has to charge VAT on everything they sell. This VAT is paid by the customer to the business and then by the business to the government. A business also has to pay VAT on everything they buy from other businesses. They get to deduct the difference between these two, and pay what's left. I will give you a very simple example:
Consider a business who only purchase products and sell them to consumers for a higher price:
Step 1: They buy inventory for a total of €1000. €250 of that is 25% VAT. They have paid a total of €250 in VAT.
Step 2: They sell inventory for a total of €1200. €300 of that is 25% VAT. They have charged a total of €300 in VAT.
Deducting what they paid from what they have charged, you get €300 - €250 = €50. They have to pay the government €50.
And this is for a business who only resells products with a margin. Normally a business tries to minimize their costs and maximize their revenue, meaning that the difference in VAT will be even bigger.
I urge you to examine these common myths with a clear mind. It doesn't matter if your family and uncles believe in them or if the people here on HN believe in them. What matters is when your business financials are wrong and you're loosing money unexpectedly because you have believed in something which isn't true.
