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> You don’t care at all what data the model was trained on? The motivations of the people who trained it?

Working for a news org whose data was used without our consent to give ChatGPT a leg up, yeah I'd care a lot about it. The bottom line though is that nobody is innocent in that regard.

Would a self-respecting organization go all in on Deepskeek R1 without a security audit and a ton of competitive testing against other models? I doubt it. Same way they shouldn't just give all their employees OnePlus or Huwei phones.

I like how the Meta guy put it. This isn't China beating the US in AI, it's "open source" (however these guys define it) beating closed models.

OpenAI broke its promise with the world, which anybody who compares their name with their product can tell you. If open models put a dent in their hegemony it's only good for the rest of the industry.



So it genuinely does not matter to you how completely irrelevant US copyright law is to China, when using a Chinese LLM?

That’s such a weirdly specific application of a moral principle, it’s hard to believe.


It doesn't matter to you how completely irrelevant global copyright law is to OpenAI? [1]

[1] https://futurism.com/the-byte/openai-copyrighted-material-pa...


No, but then again I didn't claim copyright law mattered to me at all, you did.


I also said:

> The bottom line though is that nobody is innocent in that regard.

In other words, that bird has flown and it isn't a valid reason to choose one model over another.


Except you said it was worth caring about! I agree with what you wrote here, but I thought we were talking about this because you had concerns about OpenAI's disrespect for copyright.


Hey just wanna say I was sick yesterday, so if I was a schmuck I apologize. I think we actually agree on most of the things, and even as I was posting responses I was like, "... there's something hypocritical here but I can't quite see it." So again, my apologies.


It doesn't matter to the Chinese, and that's all that matters.

To the extent that training a model with copyrighted material infringes copyright, copyright law has to change. There is no other point of view. Disagreement means forfeiting a very important game before it even begins.




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