Zionists are perfectly capable of subverting and terrorizing their way and murdering those who oppose them.

you know it was radical jewish terrorist who murdered yitzhak rabin, who tried to make peace with palestinians?

it was mossad, who helped finance and support Hamas, so that moderate PLO could never make progress on unified palestinian state?

Well yes extremist radical Zionists are about on the same level as moderate Islamic fundamentalists. That’s kind of the problem..

> yitzhak rabin

So you wouldn’t consider him a Zionist then?

Hamas is not an Islamic fundamentalist organisation. They are Muslims, but they have not twisted the religion for extremism; they are not ISIS or Al-Qaeda.

Sure about that ?

Try reading the Hamas charter: https://avalon.law.yale.edu/21st_century/hamas.asp Yes, it was later "updated" to make it more palatable for Western consumption.

some excerpts:

Allah is its target, the Prophet is its model, the Koran its constitution: Jihad is its path and death for the sake of Allah is the loftiest of its wishes.

"Israel, Judaism and Jews challenge Islam and the Moslem people. "May the cowards never sleep."

Our struggle against the Jews is very great and very serious. It needs all sincere efforts.

"The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees.

This is the old charter from 1988.

The new charter, published in 2017, is very different. But of course, you already know this.

Yes, and I did mention it was updated. After 30 years of being an explicitly extremist organization, do you really think that overnight they changed ? What would be the reason for this ?

> do you really think that overnight they changed

No, as you said yourself it happened over a long period. And the reason? They probably realised they were getting played by Israel, who wanted them to be violent to "justify" their continuing genocide of the Palestinian people and theft of their lands.

That may not be - but they are not just muslims (some would argue not even proper muslims due to the atrocities). They are definitely a terrorist organization. Whether that is done with religion in mind or something else, doesn't change that fact. I mean looking back at the Oct 7 terrorist attack, it's truly despicable.

If you want to play semantics, going by deeds the IDF, and even the Israeli state, is a far more heinous terorist organisation than Hamas.

The Oct 7th attack was terrible, but the Israeli response (both the initial response when many Israelis were killed as well as the hell wrought unto Gaza) has been downright evil. And they way Israel whipped people up into a frenzy with sick fantasies about "40 beheaded babies", "babies on washing lines", mass rapes etc was utterly despicable.

Most israelis don't see it that way, are shielded or simply choose to look at it as survival and the IDF having to do what they "need to do". But yes you are right, it's downright evil.