> But OPs point is that people are not willing to give up modern life for these gains.
Because for decades fossil fuel companies used tobacco lobby style tactics to sow doubt about the real cost of that lifestyle.
And yet somehow suing them into oblivion 'won't solve anything'? Suing tobacco companies into oblivion did wonders for us. I think it's worth a try.
> If you win and the legal system shuts down the modern lifestyle, you are going to have people anti the legal system
The modern lifestyle is driving us off a cliff. No one - no one - has argued that suing fossil fuel companies is a one and done complete solution. That's a straw man.
How is it a strawman to say 'if you win via lawsuits and remove oil companies from modern life, thus driving down the quality of life, you are going to have very heavy pushback from the average person'?
> How is it a strawman to say 'if you win via lawsuits and remove oil companies from modern life, thus driving down the quality of life, you are going to have very heavy pushback from the average person'?
What I said was: "No one - no one - has argued that suing fossil fuel companies is a one and done complete solution. That's a straw man." Why are you changing the argument, acting as if I said something quite different, and then asking me how the different argument is a strawman? ... That's literally a strawman. You gonna strawman all the way down?
And, how do you think the collapse of global ecosystems will affect quality of life? How do you think a billion or two climate refugees will affect quality of life? How are the 83% of extreme weather events which climate change is impacting affecting quality of life? How is the pollution of our air, water, soil and food from oil companies affecting our quality of life?
The reason "average people" aren't pushing back even more on all this is directly due to decades of FUD pushed and funded by ... oil companies. And people are arguing that they shouldn't be sued??
Annual fossil fuel subsidies are in the trillions. They're not likely to be sued 'out of existence' any time soon; it would be admitting that our governments have been complicit. Environmental protesters are being treated as terrorists, ffs.
If we continue business as usual, then we are in for outcomes far beyond horror.
Because for decades fossil fuel companies used tobacco lobby style tactics to sow doubt about the real cost of that lifestyle.
And yet somehow suing them into oblivion 'won't solve anything'? Suing tobacco companies into oblivion did wonders for us. I think it's worth a try.
> If you win and the legal system shuts down the modern lifestyle, you are going to have people anti the legal system
The modern lifestyle is driving us off a cliff. No one - no one - has argued that suing fossil fuel companies is a one and done complete solution. That's a straw man.