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It’s also recommended by CALFIRE in California: https://readyforwildfire.org/prepare-for-wildfire/emergency-...



It seems like a good thing to have in general. A few days of food? Good if society collapses… or also if you have a real bad storm. Having it in a bag, eh, well why not, right?


Earthquakes are a thing in California too, a very real threat. Flooding in Southern California is something that could happen too especially with climate change, and we live right next to a major waterway. We have our emergency kit in a very large thick rubber waterproof bag. We also have water filtration devices in there. Nobody I know is prepared as well as we are, not even a little bit prepared.


If society collapses, a few days of food is not going to do too much for you except maybe delay the suffering by a few days. If that's your intent for the bug out bag, you might want to reconsider. If it's for getting out to allow a natural disaster to subside, it's more than probably a good idea


We have prepared for disasters. 3 to 6 months of food fuel and water for every member of the house and livestock.

Everyone should have a week or two of supplies just in case. Look at what happens during large scale natural disasters. Prices go way up and supply goes way down. Why bother with that?

But in a real society collapse situation, our plan is much, much shorter term and much darker. That's just the reality of the situation. Why starve and suffer when you can just happily exit as a family in a way if your own choosing?


That’s true. I was being a bit tongue-in-cheek, but based on multiple responses it didn’t really go through. So, unclear communication on my part.

Society collapsing was supposed to be the unlikely and somewhat comical (in that it is a bit over-the-top) motivator for people to do something prep that we should do anyway.


there are all sorts of levels of society collapsing, probably the only ones where surviving the collapse means delaying the inevitable by a few days are fictional collapses, like Zombie apocalypse or similar.


A few days food is a normal kitchen cupboard — singular cupboard, not the whole kitchen.

A few weeks was what I kept ready during the pandemic, just in case I got ill and didn't want to go shopping for a fortnight. Plenty of natural disasters are in that kind of range, even outside the pandemic.

Civilisation collapsing needs a stockpile of about however many months it would take for you to turn your garden into a residential farm and get to harvest season, plus a bit for if that doesn't work… or if raccoons steal in the night everything the ravens didn't steal in the day.


> Civilisation collapsing needs a stockpile of about however many months it would take for you to turn your garden into a residential farm and get to harvest season, plus a bit for if that doesn't work

So, to coin a phrase:

   how about never? Does never work for you?


Yeah, pretty much.

What I haven't even considered is that although there's a few cases where your immediate community can work together on stuff like this, an actual collapse leads to a power vacuum and breakdown of supply chains, so your immediate community needs to not only be self-sufficient for food but also defence from looting, and yet somehow also not important enough for to the original government to try to keep running, nor for any warlords who spring up in the vacuum to try to pillage, and also not for any foreign powers to peace-keep or annex.

Hmm, I wonder: if the USA suddenly collapsed as hard as the USSR, would Mexico and the Texas region start fighting? Or Cuba and the Florida region?


> Good if society collapses

If society actually collapses, you really don’t want to be the person with lots of highly-demanded resources.


You'd prefer to be one with none of the resources?


> You'd prefer to be one with none of the resources?

Look at actual societal collapses. The starting position of the resources within the map is almost irrelevant.


You do you, but I will keep my X months of food, water, and warm shelter even it makes me a "target".

Besides, the first rule of being prepared, is you don't talk about being prepared.


> I will keep my X months of food, water, and warm shelter even it makes me a "target"

As you should. For all of the things that can happen between normal life and full societal collapse. The point is, X months of anything is useless in that last case. The only precedented way of evading death or poverty in the wake of societal collapse is to get out.

> you don't talk about being prepared

You're thinking of a zombie apocalypse film. Picture, instead, the warlords and their armies in Sudan or Ethiopia. Whether you talk about it is irrelevant. Your home will be torn apart, and your body pressed into service, irrespectively.


Have you personally been through a major disaster? Talking federal state of emergency declared, electrical grid is down for weeks, data networks overcrowded, shipments bottlenecked?

I ask because I see so much resistence to good prep online but never from people who've been through disasters.


That’s disaster prep. It’s rational. Preparing for society’s collapse is not. (If you want to prepare for society’s collapse, what this article’s protagonist trains for is closer to what you want to master than kitting out a glorified man cave.)




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