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But that's not a gas vs. electric distinction, but rather an old vs. new one. Modern ICE cars have all of those problems too.





Yes but the point is, this technology is a blocker for people who might otherwise be interested in an electric powertrain vehicle.

If you want an old car without all this crap, you can get one. But it pretty much has to be an ICE.


Bild your own electric in an old style body? Fun, if nothing else.

Probably not a good idea as the battery weight wouldn't have been figured into the original chassis/brakes design.

Right, you need to do that engineering yourself. And ICE engines are heavy, so it typically is reasonable to work out as the lighter engine compensates for the battery weight. It is a design task, not a project killer.

If modern EVs are anything to go by, the battery weight will be substantially more than the weight of an ICE engine plus gearbox etc. But yes, it'd be for the hobbyist to figure out the details and whether it is safe enough to drive.

The EV version of the Hyundai Ioniq is only about 60 kg heavier than the hybrid version and at about 1 500 kg is not much over the average for cars of its class.

EVs really are not a great deal heavier than the ICE versions of the same or similar vehicles.

The Jaguar I-Pace EV is lighter than some variants of the F-Pace ICE.


Hyundai offers an EV version of the Casper: it's 1335kg vs 985kg for the petrol variant. Surely that's a great deal heavier? The Aygo finds an all-electric competitor in the Renault Zoë whose battery pack alone weighs 300kg, a hefty increase compared to the 70kg engine of the aygo. Volkswagen's up! comes in at 929kg; the e-up! registers at 1229kg.

Regarding the I-pace vs the F-pace I was unable to find more than a single version with a greater weight than the I-pace, though I admit I haven't analyzed the specs of all 108 editions. That single example weighing more was, of course, a hybrid.

EV versions are, primarily due to the weight of their battery packs, significantly heavier than their ICE counterparts and that's fine.


I'm not sure modern EVs are anything to go by. They are trying to meet the needs of a broad audience whereas you know exactly what you need out of a vehicle. For example, if you only need a 50 mile range, not 250, that is 80% of the weight down. No major manufacturer would put that out, but most drivers do less than 50 miles a day.

There are all kinds of design choices that can be made to fit completely within the original specs of the chassis.


I’m honestly amazed there are not more conversion kits. Pull the IC powertrain and gas tank, replace with battery and electric motor. It’s obviously way harder than it seems or I think a lot of folks would be doing it.

I think the main issue is that it takes a lot of engineering from the ground up to make an electric car with good range and performance. Maybe if batteries get significantly better, then conversions will get more popular.

They actually even make cars exactly like that. They’re pretty compromised cars though. An E-Golf for instance is just what it sounds like: they took the existing Golf and made it an EV.

Also time and expense.

You can convert any ice car to an ev. I takes time but is straight forward

Time, money, and lots of knowledge and skill. Actually, lots of time and money too.

It’s really not a practical thing for at least 99% of the population. Probably more like 4 or 5 nines.


For various definitions of "you." That's far beyond the reach of the average consumer.

So pay someone to do it for you. The free market has a solution.

It's odd how anti-hack Hacker News has become.


Sure. Other than being extremely expensive unless you've got the skills and facilities to do all the work yourself, and have the time and money to get all the engineering certifications required to make it road legal.

If you can do it all yourself, it's only moderately expensive.


In the us at least homebuilt cars slide through a lot of loopholes. And since you are coverting a car you automatically get many things that made the car road legal.

> this technology is a blocker for people who might otherwise be interested in an electric powertrain vehicle.

This surely isn’t a large group.


Maybe in a decade or two, your assertion will evaluate closer to true.

I think legacy auto did a good job promoting this tho

Yeah, its the same stuff that I've been told for decades now. TBH, it is probably less true with a lot of EVs than it was with the gas cars. ECUs are pretty strict and sometimes hard to hack.

Meanwhile, third party motor controllers for Tesla motors exist, and the batteries aren't exactly magic.

There's really nothing about electric drivetrains that makes anything vastly more locked down.


Yeah if the world went in the direction that prepper types seem to get wet dreams about petrol ICE cars would only be usable for a year or so - petrol has a shelf life, and you ain't running your own refinery.

A lot of diesels can run off of any vaguely fuel-like liquid you decide to put in them, so I'm sure sufficiently knowledgable people would keep those running, machining parts for them etc.

But electric vehicles are by far simpler than both of those, and generating electricity is easier than producing fuel you can shove in a diesel engine.


>But electric vehicles are by far simpler than both of those

Electric engines might be, but battery tech for sure isn't. Building a combustion engine + fuel vs. building an EV battery is a whole different game.


petrol ICE cars would only be usable for a year or so

The Internet really overstates this. Fuel injected systems are sealed. Carbureted systems are open to outside air, so the fuel is constantly evaporating, leaving residue behind, and absorbing moisture from the atmosphere.

Gasoline in a sealed container remains usable for far longer than people on the Internet say it will.

Anyway, the final state of an apocalypse car would be running on wood gas. North Korea runs some or all of their military trucks on it (this may have changed as they've increased relations with Russia). An episode of Car Talk explained how it was used by German civilians during WWII:

https://www.cartalk.com/radio/show/1201-20-miles-wood-chip


You can make an ICE run on wood gas which is arguably more apocalypse proof than electric.

Generators can run on that to charge an ev that is also chargeable by solar panels, wind mills and water mills.

All combustion engines, generators included require maintenance. Having n+1 requirements doesen't sound like a benefit to an apocalypse. In general consumer cars really don't fare well without well-mainained roads though, so they'd not be that useful to begin with.



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