"really hate men" in what way do the democrats hate men and does that justify voting for a party who have people openly calling them degenerate, who have people advocating murdering democrats?
I think you’re being part of the problem. The problem is vilifying half the country — driving people apart instead of bringing us all together.
Those last two inflammatory conjectures in your comment are simply not true. It sure takes putting your head deep in the sand or doing a bunch of mental backflips to arrive at that conclusion. Just look at the blood that came out of Trump’s ear to easily refute that point as well as the second assassination attempt. The left was supposed to realize at those moments to tone down the rhetoric. But there’s a bunch of globalists that just want to see America burn.
I’m in the middle of it all. Not right or left. No party affiliation and I have more left leaning views than right views. I simply try to pick the best candidate each election, irrespective of the party. These parties have changed so much that they’re unrecognizable from what they used to be.
I recognize that the left is so terrified of someone shaking up their world view with the real truth that they lash out like a venomous snake afraid of the truth and god forbid actually seeing the other perspective. That pushes all of the moderates to the right side. The moderates and the independents decide all of the elections. Probably because we’re able to see through the smoke & mirrors and see the truth.
The truth is you care more about not getting cancelled or hurt than you care about the country or the results of the election and for that reason, you’ll only make a good decision at the polls about half of the time. Like a broken clock that’s correct twice a day and incorrect all of the rest of the time.
I’ll leave you with one main view, and if you forget everything else and remember this one thing, maybe you’ll have a chance at being a part of both parties one day. The right-leaning party of 2024, the big tent party, today, is just the party of the people that want the ability to perhaps have a family in the future — or already has a family. Period. Full stop. They perceive the self-loathing left as actively assaulting their work to put food on the table, keep a roof over their head, and give their kid an actual chance in this world to possibly eventually have a kid of his or her own. Stop vilifying those people. They feel bad for the left for being deeply brainwashed and mentally-manipulated by powers stronger than them.
Why are all of the latest policies globalists first and Americans last?
Why are all of the companies instituting mass layoffs?
Should all of America have as much crime as Oakland, Chicago, New York City, L.A., and Portland?
How come today, the left is the party of war and the right the party of peace? The left identifies with the Bushs and Cheneys while the right identifies with the Kennedys.
Why didn’t we cut funding for further gain of function research after COVID-19 after it escaped the formerly BSL2 lab at the wuhan institute of Virology?
What all was in The Twitter Files?
What is the Deep State and why do we still have one?
Who was a threat to democracy? (in the Republic)? Do you remember participating in any primary election?
Should America continue having large amounts of illegal immigration or should there be more legal immigration? We all know how Miami and Texas voted.
How come Detroit Michigan still has lead in their water and there are superfund sites all over America still? The only environmental policy the left today embraced is global warming.
How come the only freedoms being advocated for are the freedoms to turn gay, become trans, and then preorder your suicide pod from the next Dr. Kevorkian! But at least you can abort your kid and not need an ID when you vote! Lol I’m pro-choice but can you see how the masses would find these solutions to their problems… distasteful?
Are you really improving women’s lives by becoming the party of Islam? Or is that talk about women just propaganda and lip service?
Are pro-Palestine flags virtue signaling or do they advocate Hitler-level genocide as their supporters chant “from the river to the sea” as they aim to wipe an entire group people off the map?
Out of all of the things the left-leaning NPR can talk about, why did they give an “From to the river to the sea” advocate the microphone? Is NPR where we want our tax dollars to continue going to?
Nowadays, the left in government gets called bad names, a vampire squid that sucks the democratic republic’s treasury bone dry. Other times, a death cult.
There’s a reason the right is always more welcoming of the left than the left is of the right.
There is a reason the right, this election cycle, was willing to have those open debates and go on the most podcasts & talk shows and have the tough discussions. The campaign strategy of the Trump & Vance campaign was to go on so many podcasts that they were uncensorable by the legacy media. As we all know, their campaign strategy worked and people were able to hear both sides. A campaign running on emotions like “Joy” vs. a better economy that benefits all.
If you want to learn more, don’t debate me. Listen to an episode of Tucker Carlson, Charlie Kirk, or David Sacks instead.
>I think you’re being part of the problem. The problem is vilifying half the country — driving people apart instead of bringing us all together.
In typical fashion victim blame those with concerns and never take on responsibility.
>Those last two inflammatory conjectures in your comment are simply not true. It sure takes putting your head deep in the sand or doing a bunch of mental backflips to arrive at that conclusion. Just look at the blood that came out of Trump’s ear to easily refute that point as well as the second assassination attempt. The left was supposed to realize at those moments to tone down the rhetoric. But there’s a bunch of globalists that just want to see America burn.
Of course it's inflammatory to you, you would rather rant about my comment than actually engage with it in good faith.
Funny thing is both assassins was Republican voters, so much for the left boogieman.
>I’m in the middle of it all. Not right or left. No party affiliation and I have more left leaning views than right views. I simply try to pick the best candidate each election, irrespective of the party. These parties have changed so much that they’re unrecognizable from what they used to be.
It's always so interesting that so called "centrist" has to go out loudly proclaiming they are centrists, and yet every time they turns out not to be centrist what so ever.
But yes I agree, republicans have lost all principles they once had and now even the conservatism that has been plaguing it is on the chopping block.
>I recognize that the left is so terrified of someone shaking up their world view with the real truth that they lash out like a venomous snake afraid of the truth and god forbid actually seeing the other perspective. That pushes all of the moderates to the right side. The moderates and the independents decide all of the elections. Probably because we’re able to see through the smoke & mirrors and see the truth.
You can recognize things and yet you cannot recognize "left's" concern, a real centrist would be able to understand the plight of both sides and yet here you are unable to do so.
>The truth is you care more about not getting cancelled or hurt than you care about the country or the results of the election and for that reason, you’ll only make a good decision at the polls about half of the time. Like a broken clock that’s correct twice a day and incorrect all of the rest of the time.
I care about my country something in this rant you haven't shown a single bit off, only that your emotions and feelings to be validated as you've said 0 principled ideas and instead things like "we know the TRUTH! I know what you feel and thus you are wrong!", you've probably done more straw men of me than the mental Olympics would allow for.
>I’ll leave you with one main view, and if you forget everything else and remember this one thing, maybe you’ll have a chance at being a part of both parties one day. The right-leaning party of 2024, the big tent party, today, is just the party of the people that want the ability to perhaps have a family in the future — or already has a family. Period. Full stop. They perceive the self-loathing left as actively assaulting their work to put food on the table, keep a roof over their head, and give their kid an actual chance in this world to possibly eventually have a kid of his or her own. Stop vilifying those people. They feel bad for the left for being deeply brainwashed and mentally-manipulated by powers stronger than them.
Republicans have been destroyed by the conservatives who now in turned have been destroyed by the maga cult, if you call that a big tent then I guess we could say that a clitoris is a big penis.
Republicans feeling bad? where was the "feeling bad" when they mocked Nancy Pelosi's husband being almost murdered by a crazed maga cultist?
Or how about when on a Trump rally just before election they said that everyone in the democratic party are degenerates every single one of them, what a wonderful compassion these republicans have.
And Republicans want to you have families? Sure if you don't need IFV, if you're not gay or trans.
>Why are all of the latest policies globalists first and Americans last?
I don't care about conspiracies like """globalists""", I care about my country, charlatans and demagagues are far greater threat than your perceived reality of "globalists".
>Why are all of the companies instituting mass layoffs?
For different reasons, one of the big one being automation.
>Should all of America have as much crime as Oakland, Chicago, New York City, L.A., and Portland?
Right, you know that's not true? If we go by violent crime by capita it's all republican in the top 10:
Only exception being California because of robbery, which surprise, surprise is because criminals around the country aren't stupid and will go where-ever the most rich people per capita live, aka. places you bought up.
>How come today, the left is the party of war and the right the party of peace? >The left identifies with the Bushs and Cheneys while the right identifies with >the Kennedys.
Oh cool, tell me which war is USA in right now? How many troops have we deployed to said place?
The left is very much anti-war, they've been echoing every single talking point your side has done, it's the centrists are the ones who have said they want to support Ukraine in it's defense of the invading Russia.
>Why didn’t we cut funding for further gain of function research after COVID-19 >after it escaped the formerly BSL2 lab at the wuhan institute of Virology?
We never funded said laboratory and the lab leak theory has still not been proven.
>What all was in The Twitter Files?
Smoking weed and eating mcDonald's special: Nothingburger
>What is the Deep State and why do we still have one?
Government workers, so that our country can function.
>Who was a threat to democracy? (in the Republic)? Do you remember >participating in any primary election?
Republicans storming Jan 6, 2020.
No please refresh me, what were I doing during the primaries?
>Should America continue having large amounts of illegal immigration or should there be more legal immigration? We all know how Miami and Texas voted.
Well how sad then that Trump ordered the republicans to kill that bipartisan most extreme bill to date, that would have tried to be the beginning of the long array of fixes needed to secure the border.
>How come Detroit Michigan still has lead in their water and there are superfund sites all over America still? The only environmental policy the left
today embraced is global warming.
Because it's still reeling from the rust belt collapse? There's tons of conservationist and environmental policy but maybe my man/woman, maybe just maybeit's because global warming is an existential threat to us all.
>How come the only freedoms being advocated for are the freedoms to turn gay, become trans, and then preorder your suicide pod from the next Dr. Kevorkian! But at least you can abort your kid and not need an ID when you vote! Lol I’m pro-choice but can you see how the masses would find these solutions to their problems… distasteful?
So we shouldn't have the freedom to choose these things or what's the point here? I think the only retarded policy democrats have regarding trans-issues is trans athletes.
>Are you really improving women’s lives by becoming the party of Islam? Or is that talk about women just propaganda and lip service?
Lol, by that metric the Republicans IS the party of Islam with wanting to:
* Ban abortion
* Ban LGBT people
* Limit women's rights such as voting
* Teaming up with Muslims to enact these policy changes
etc. etc.
Are pro-Palestine flags virtue signaling or do they advocate Hitler-level genocide as their supporters chant “from the river to the sea” as they aim to wipe an entire group people off the map?
I don't support Palestine, beyond that they should work together with Israel as it is in Bosnia.
>Out of all of the things the left-leaning NPR can talk about, why did they give an “From to the river to the sea” advocate the microphone? Is NPR where we want our tax dollars to continue going to?
Left-leaning in what way is publicly funded NPR left-leaning? Because they invited on 1 person who has crazy views? You should check into C-SPAN then.
But again how very centrist of you, judging others.
>There’s a reason the right is always more welcoming of the left than the left is of the right.
>There is a reason the right, this election cycle, was willing to have those open debates and go on the most podcasts & talk shows and have the tough discussions. The campaign strategy of the Trump & Vance campaign was to go on so many podcasts that they were uncensorable by the legacy media. As we all know, their campaign strategy worked and people were able to hear both sides. A campaign running on emotions like “Joy” vs. a better economy that benefits all.
Democrats have had their head in the sand when it comes to new media, that's about it, just like Republicans used to have their heads in the sand about cable TV being important.
>If you want to learn more, don’t debate me. Listen to an episode of Tucker Carlson, Charlie Kirk, or David Sacks instead.
I'll do whatever I want, and I sure as hell will not be listening to charlatans as you suggest.
If you want to read about real conservatives here's a few names:
>Should all of America have as much crime as Oakland, Chicago, New York City, L.A., and Portland?
Right, you know that's not true? If we go by violent crime by capita it's all republican in the top 10:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territ...
Only exception being California because of robbery, which surprise, surprise is because criminals around the country aren't stupid and will go where-ever the most rich people per capita live, aka. places you bought up.
According to both the Manhattan Institute and the NY Post, The “red state murder problem” meme, ignores that in many states, the murder rate is significantly a function of the state’s biggest cities, which are often quite blue, have a Democrat mayor, and are quite dangerous.
Criminal homicide is primarily (which does not mean entirely) a problem that resides within large cities. The 50 largest cities in America, home to 15.3% of the country’s population, saw 34.2% of the country’s murders in 2020; 34, or 68%, of the 50 cities had Democratic mayors in 2020, while only 14 (six of which were in blue states that voted for Biden in 2020) had Republican mayors.
The homicide rate in the blue cities was 15.8 per 100,000, compared to 9.4 per 100,000 in the red cities and 10.9 per 100,000 in the two cities with Independent mayors.
Also a little common sense (which is lately in short supply) says defunding the police and decriminalizing crime (instead of rolling back legislation, which the Democratic party has forgotten how to do) has the exact effect you’d expect it would have. California had pretty much legalized crime by not prosecuting misdemeanors anymore. Subsequently shoplifting under $1000 became normalized. This is in contrast with Texas where laws regarding misdemeanors are enforced and prosecuted too and there aren’t liberal movements to defund the police.
I mentioned Oakland, NYC, Chicago, L.A., and Portland, but have you seen how bad Kensington Ave of Philadelphia has become? It has become the most famous Avenue in all of America — for all the wrong reasons.
>Funny thing is both assassins was Republican voters, so much for the left boogieman.
were but I won’t be pedantic. We’re all human and we all make typos. The Pennsylvania assassin, Crooks, switched to be a registered Republican for this election so that he could vote for someone other than trump in the primaries and participate. The democrats did not hold a primary election in most states and in his state, the only way one could participate in the Democratic process of elections was to join the republican ticket. Obviously he wanted to participate in politics. It’s ironic that he decided to attempt to deprive everyone else of their right to participate in a democratic republic via their right to vote. Crooks Facebook wall was covered in solidly left-leaning, Democrat content and all of his political donations were to Democrat candidates. All of his actions were that of Democrat. It’s free to switch parties but it’s not free to donate money.
Routh, who has a mountainous criminal record, frequently posted about politics and exclusively donated to Democratic candidates and causes dating back to 2019. He was woefully uninformed about the russia Ukrainian war which is a war we never should’ve found ourselves in through our woefully negligent foreign policy. If we produced our oil in Alaska or Texas/Oklahoma instead of buying it from Iran and the gas station of Europe, Russia, they wouldn’t have had the money to wage war.
Our current administration has a policy of sending missiles, bombs, and bullets instead of just simply talking with the other side. Most bad relationships are caused by bad communication and the same applies to foreign policy. According to Tucker Carlson whom was the first and only American to actually interview Vladimir Putin in quite a long time showed us many things in his interview including how threatening it was to continue raising talks to include Ukraine in NATO, tariff their natural gas pipelines, and other things most people were simply unaware of.
Routh sadly didn’t know the details or intricacies about a war that should’ve never happened in the first place. He should’ve been put in an army and sent to Ukraine because he wanted to die for a cause. I have an uncommon view which is that we should’ve sent soldiers to Ukraine (who volunteered to go like him as that was his primary advocacy) instead of just money, weapons, and perhaps paid mercenaries. But that’s mostly due to my financial concern over the debt our country is in. On a lesser note, all of the man haters in our country can see what happens when there’s suddenly supply shortages for men and they realize they’ve been taking men for granted. Post WW2 was pretty prosperous for America and all genders should feel appreciated. But we can’t afford much and I can sure see why that didn’t happen though in the age of a potential WW3 or nuclear war. Nuclear weapons didn’t exist pre-WW2 and Bioweapons were less advanced back then.
All in all they were misinformed and confused democrats. They all donated to democrat candidates and made posts indicating they were democrats. They were also okay with trying to cheat to win. It’s very common for democrats to project, by making untrue claims such as “[Republicans] are people that advocate the murdering of democrats”, when it’s really more of the other way around judging by those two assassination attempts.
Trump talked about putting Hillary in jail, but when he was president he didn’t because he didn’t believe in persecuting political opponents. He just said it for the entertainment value on stage. People forget that above all else he’s an entertainer. Many Republicans were persecuted; even Steve Bannon was put in jail. I understand some people are mad because he’s generally regarded as the prime reason Trump got into the White House the first time. I even made a comment about that regarding Bannon here on HN years ago when I was a solid-blue liberal all the way through. Coincidentally afterwards he was thoroughly investigated by powerful upset liberals until they could discover some charges on him. I do feel a little bit of guilt in being one of the first to raise public awareness about Bannon and possibly being the one that lead to his investigation and subsequent arrest… but it looks like he’ll be pardoned soon from being kept as a political prisoner. I don’t believe in persecuting political opponents like our left leaning DOJ does. Claims such as “[Republicans] are people that advocate the murdering of democrats” are simply untrue and is just another projection. Perhaps it’s understandable why I labeled that inflammatory rhetoric. At least, now you have a full answer.
>I recognize that the left is so terrified of someone shaking up their world view with the real truth that they lash out like a venomous snake afraid of the truth and god forbid actually seeing the other perspective. That pushes all of the moderates to the right side. The moderates and the independents decide all of the elections. Probably because we’re able to see through the smoke & mirrors and see the truth.
>You can recognize things and yet you cannot recognize "left's" concern, a real centrist would be able to understand the plight of both sides and yet here you are unable to do so.
I can recognize the plight of both sides because I’ve been a Democrat my whole life. That’s why I’m able to walk talk and act like a Democrat if I want to. But I didn’t see why I should vote for someone that goes against all of my interests in every single way. It’s quite sad how cooked this economy is. After you share the current country you’re in and your current country of residence, feel free to share with me what your top chief issues are and I’ll hear what your plight is, regardless of what what you say. I might not agree with everything you say, but I’ll certainly give you a platform to speak it and I will certainly read it.
In the following 40,000 characters, I respond to every one your responses. At one point I even move back closer to the center again as you bring up a good consideration. Since it’s long, I had to divide it up into 3 or more replies to post it.
>In typical fashion victim blame those with concerns and never take on responsibility.
Bring up your chief concerns and let’s address them head on.
I also want to get to know the basics of I’m talking to a little better. It’s not safe to assume on the internet that most people are in the USA or are from the USA. Many have outside interests that trump domestic interests.
>But there’s a bunch of globalists that just want to see America burn.
>Of course it's inflammatory to you, you would rather rant about my comment than actually engage with it in good faith.
I doubt this is your chief concern but I’ll address it for you directly anyways. Most people don’t consider political drama to be a chief concern but I’ll address it anyways. I’ve never once heard of Republicans calling the democrats degenerate, but I’m sure it’s possible to get at least one person on either side to say anything. As a whole or from the people in power that can make the top-down decisions, that isn’t truthful. What is true is that Biden called all Americans on the right “Garbage” after a roast comedian
Tony Hinchcliffe at the MSG NY Rally called Puerto Rico a floating island of garbage. TBH, it probably looked like that for a bit of time after so many large hurricanes reduced it this season but it wasn’t a good remark and he probably picked them to roast because they can’t vote. But it did show their commitment to free speech by having a gay man from Austin TX, where almost everyone is a democrat, who wouldn’t say who he was voting for when surrounded by MAGA supporters, which means he probably is a democrat, is quite a brave commitment to free speech. Either that, or the flop served well to take heat off of 20 or so others who weren’t comedians and were expressing real views. Anyways, it was far surpassed by the Biden comment though.
> “really hate men" in what way do the democrats hate men. First of all some do; some don’t. Some hate themselves. Some hate others. Some don’t have a hateful bone in their body. There’s no blanket statement to be made. However there are some contemporary feminists who are really just man-haters who are quite loud and have been doing a large part of the speaking for the Democratic Party. The party thought it could win by pitting women vs men and winning on various identities while the right wanted to win with ideologies. Identities aren’t safe to debate or campaign on and not a debate I like having because effectively no one can change their identity so it ends in war or civil war. The contemporary feminists who hate all men, is simply not the kinds of people I want directing the party. Feminism accomplished everything it set out to achieve. Women can vote, drive, work, fight, and will win in most lawsuits against men. They’re outpacing men in early education and late education. They have lower suicide rates, and in the largest cities are beginning to outpace men. Men want to have a Father’s Day where the United Nations isn’t tweeting about how important mother’s are on the same day. Yes mother’s are important and Mother’s Day is important, but let men have their one day a year and women get theirs too. Equality for men and women.
I don’t think a president being a man or being a woman is a good reason to vote for one or the other. Saying all men suck so I want a female president, is… do I really have to point out the obvious flaws in that? There’s so much more that should go into the decision that that shouldn’t even be part of the decision tree.
What contemporary feminism really is, is successfully convincing all of your fellow women to exit the dating pool, so that you have less female competition and get to have all of the good men to yourself. Many women don’t realize this but are also not surprised by the cattyness and not-uncommon back-stabbing. Men more often just say it as it is.
Some globalists love this because they don’t want to see Americans having families and birthing a little baby carbon breathers anyways. If it was really about carbon, they would’ve banned all private jet travel yesterday.
Some self-loathing 40yr old childless cat ladies love this because it massages the part of their brain that seeks validation for past decisions. There’s nothing wrong with a decision to not have a family, but there’s an old saying that “Lord, if you can’t make me skinny then make all of my friends fat.” Some people get duped into thinking that others are acting in their own best interest, when in fact many time’s it’s not. I’m simply advocating for healthy skepticism with many of these -isms. Nearly all -isms are BS. Just like racism isn’t something people should support either.
Next, I know you may make an outdated comment on racism but the MAGA big tent party won and *Trump won the African-Americans vote by the highest percentage that any Republican has won in USA history before — even against a candidate who proclaimed to be black, adopted a black accent at her rally’s, and chose to start her campaign by going on Charlamagne tha God’s show and spend their campaign dollars on having Megan Thee Stallion twerk on the DNC stage.
The party that said we care so much about the black vote that you don’t have to have an ID when you vote because apparently they proclaim voter id laws are racist. Not only is it patronizing but it shows they’re so out of touch that it makes you wonder if they’ve ever met an African American person before — let alone anyone on the right side in-person ever since work from home began after Covid. Voter ID laws simply keep the same person from voting twice or more under various names. California even went as far as banning poll workers for asking voters for a ID when voting. But it can be hard to see if all you watch is far-left media stations like MSNBC, ABC and CNN or anything out of the UK or Canada where citizens do not have and cannot exercise freedom of speech. Freedom of speech: use it or lose it. One day, you just might need it!!
Back on topic, MAGA won on ideological discussions instead of race-baiting, gender-baiting, or shoving identity politics down our throats which the media apparently wanted. They tried divide and conquer Americans but the American people clearly wanted a return to a meritocracy, a return to normalcy, a return to joint prosperity, and a better future & economy for all genders and races. The way for us to sail happily through the next 4 years is to turn off the media for 4 years, including to some degree HN, while they try to sow headlines that make it sound like the sky is falling and they claim there’s widespread chaos descending everywhere again when really there’s not.
On a personal note, it’s quite a nice feeling to be optimistic about the future and hopeful about our government for once in our lifetime. The debt was growing at an unsustainable rate and interest on our debt had become higher than our entire defence budget. Lina Khan, Janet Yellen, Gary Gensler, Alejandro Mayorkas, Mike Pompeo (the wolf in sheep’s clothing), and others all needed to be fired yesterday and it sure didn’t look like the current administration, sleepwalking through the cockpit, was headed to fire any of them. That’s probably my chief issue.
>The truth is you care more about not getting cancelled or hurt than you care about the country or the results of the election and for that reason, you’ll only make a good decision at the polls about half of the time. Like a broken clock that’s correct twice a day and incorrect all of the rest of the time.
> i care about my country something in this rant you haven't shown a single bit off, only that your emotions and feelings to be validated as you've said 0 principled ideas and instead things like "we know the TRUTH! I know what you feel and thus you are wrong!", you've probably done more straw men of me than the mental Olympics would allow for.
Good, which country is that? Last sentence is incomprehensible. I hear you on the middle part. Though it sounds like your opinion and your projection. My perception is that this year the left was, for once, was the group of feelings, emotions and unprincipled ideas.
>I’ll leave you with one main view, and if you forget everything else and remember this one thing, maybe you’ll have a chance at being a part of both parties one day. The right-leaning party of 2024, the big tent party, today, is just the party of the people that want the ability to perhaps have a family in the future — or already has a family. Period. Full stop. They perceive the self-loathing left as actively assaulting their work to put food on the table, keep a roof over their head, and give their kid an actual chance in this world to possibly eventually have a kid of his or her own. Stop vilifying those people. They feel bad for the left for being deeply brainwashed and mentally-manipulated by powers stronger than them.
>Republicans have been destroyed by the conservatives who now in turned have been destroyed by the maga cult, if you call that a big tent then I guess we could say that a clitoris is a big penis.
I chuckled when I read this. Thanks for that. Especially after the projection in the previous response. Either I struck a nerve with an uncomfortable truth or you have a comedic side we can all appreciate. I wouldn’t call it destroyed but Yes you’re right the Republican Party have been completely flipped around by people that simply want to Make America Great Again.
Liberals trust anyone that speaks against carbon emissions (except private jets, military equipment, and large ships carrying foreign goods such as imports such as oil from Iran and Russia that might as well have been made here. Just dawn a gay pride, trans-pride flag or some other virtue signal. With that, it doesn’t matter if they want to pass oversized spending packages, reduce freedoms, go to war, increase regulations, or loot our treasury. As long as they don’t say anything that could offend someone of a protected class.
Lol, Republicans don’t even trust each other let alone the other side! Many know that it is merely an opposition party that is captured by the left. Even Fascist Italy under Mussolini and Nazi Germany under the third Reich permitted an opposition party. Those regimes were all totalitarian and the opposition parties were little more than puppets or shells, used by their establishment to maintain a facade of democracy while retaining the regime’s grip on power.
That’s why the Republican Party has been so bad and the uniparty along with it. The Democrat party has spent countless dollars and countless time funding unelectable GOP dufuses such as ones that espouse anti-abortion views to have softballs in the general election. MAGA supporters currently call warmongers or bad Republicans like the Cheney’s “NeoCons”. The people were excited to have a populist billionaire like Trump because it meant they were less likely to have corruption. Someone that goes into office willing to reduce their net worth instead of going there for corruption and the continued selling out of America which has already been hollowed out and sold out many areas already.
The Democrat party spends more time and money subverting the other side than they do improving their own side. Maybe now they’ll do some introspection but who knows, maybe so maybe not. Based on the recent Popular Vote, I can say with certainty that the American people are unhappy with it. The main reason Trump made it as far as he did was he was considered as a joke for the longest time so he was on a list with 2 other republicans primary names for “softballs” the DNC wanted to go up against.
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Republicans feeling bad? where was the "feeling bad" when they mocked Nancy Pelosi's husband being almost murdered by a crazed maga cultist?
I didn’t hear of it. I must’ve missed the part where Nancy Pelosi’s husband has had to dodge bullets like the other side continually had to do. Do you know what guns or weapons were involved, if any? I’m against all acts of violence on both sides. Though if there were none, it’s not the same. The threat model is lesser. My sources say none. Can all of the crime in California be blamed on the Republicans? The state seems to be devolving into lawless anarchy. People say that’s by design because then the people will be begging for a form of totalitarianism to save them. Some people only begin to care when it’s on their front door. All violence is a tense topic so I want to make a joke: Maybe he just wanted insider-congress tips for stock call options like NVDA or PANW.
>How come the only freedoms being advocated for are the freedoms to turn gay, become trans, and then preorder your suicide pod from the next Dr. Kevorkian! But at least you can abort your kid and not need an ID when you vote! Lol I’m pro-choice but can you see how the masses would find these solutions to their problems… distasteful?
>So we shouldn't have the freedom to choose these things or what's the point here? I think the only retarded policy democrats have regarding trans-issues is trans athletes.
I’ll acknowledge that you dodged the no ID when voting, like California where it’s expressly illegal for a poll worker to request an ID. Voter ID laws keep people from double-voting or voting more than once.
No, why are the only freedoms being advocated ones that most Americans can expect to never meaningfully utilize? What those two freedoms have in common is that they prevent people from creating a family, which is why they are being benevolently offered.
Yeah being gay is fine, being trans is fine. Few are against those. None of the candidates or vice presidential candidates are against those freedoms. I’m too liberal to be against them either. Who knows, in 12-16 years we may all have to turn gay or trans to feel pride in our own skin color, lol
Yeah Trans athletes isn’t okay with most people. Perhaps you saw Boxing in the Olympics where a transman won by pummeling all of the women to death. Though some like that kind of entertainment. Not you and I though. Considerations to spend our tax dollars for sex reassignment surgeries (sometimes in prison or with illegal immigrants) isn’t very popular.
Let’s have freedoms most Americans can reasonably expect to utilize — freedom of speech, freedom for each American to own land, freedom for a business to be open during Covid, freedom to not grow up to be a debt slave because of the national debt, freedom to give a great country to our kids. Ones that aren’t just globalist agendas but national ones too.
>Are you really improving women’s lives by becoming the party of Islam? Or is that talk about women just propaganda and lip service?
>Lol, by that metric the Republicans IS the party of Islam with wanting to:
* Ban abortion
* Ban LGBT people
* Limit women's rights such as voting
* Teaming up with Muslims to enact these policy changes
etc. etc.
*Wanting to ban abortion is a lie that Kamala kept reciting at her rallies. It’s really a trap to talk about that because we know Trump wanted to leave it up to the states to decide — and that is the most moderate position a candidate can take.
*Who the F is banning LGBT people? Lol yet another lie.
*Limiting women voting rights is probably the most proposterous thing of these 4 though they all preposterous. Show me one time in 2016 when Trump motioned to reduce women’s voting rights or any video of him saying so. [Citation Needed].
*Teaming up with Muslims? lol where do you get this from?? Lol, you can keep all of your pro-hamas protesters. Maybe you forgot the Trump Muslim travel bans during Covid. However, many Muslims did vote for Trump this time around and they said because they want peace in the Middle East.
>Are pro-Palestine flags virtue signaling or do they advocate Hitler-level genocide as their supporters chant “from the river to the sea” as they aim to wipe an entire group people off the map?
>I don't support Palestine, beyond that they should work together with Israel as it is in Bosnia.
>Out of all of the things the left-leaning NPR can talk about, why did they give an “From to the river to the sea” advocate the microphone? Is NPR where we want our tax dollars to continue going to?
>Left-leaning in what way is publicly funded NPR left-leaning? Because they invited on 1 person who has crazy views? You should check into C-SPAN then.
C-Span is neutral, they usually don’t even have any commentary. NPR has a hard time even pretending they are neutral, especially during election seasons. NPR has always been available to listen to for the entirety of my lifetime.
>But again how very centrist of you, judging others.
Nice try attempting to gaslighting me. Recognizing bias or disagreeing with programs on the radio is something anyone should be able to do. It takes critical thinking skills though, which correlate with not always voting for the same side every election.
>There’s a reason the right is always more welcoming of the left than the left is of the right.
>There is a reason the right, this election cycle, was willing to have those open debates and go on the most podcasts & talk shows and have the tough discussions. The campaign strategy of the Trump & Vance campaign was to go on so many podcasts that they were uncensorable by the legacy media. As we all know, their campaign strategy worked and people were able to hear both sides. A campaign running on emotions like “Joy” vs. a better economy that benefits all.
Democrats have had their head in the sand when it comes to new media, that's about it, just like Republicans used to have their heads in the sand about cable TV being important.
>If you want to learn more, don’t debate me. Listen to an episode of Tucker Carlson, Charlie Kirk, or David Sacks instead.
>I'll do whatever I want, and I sure as hell will not be listening to charlatans as you suggest.
If you want to read about real conservatives here's a few names:
* Emmanuel Mounier
* Heinrich Pesch
* Wilhelm Röpke
* Hilaire Bel-
I don’t recognize their names or know anything about them. Those names don’t even sound like they’re from the country of America! I also know that your view on who good republicans are is more than questionable. I trust that while you may have a list of good liberals, I don’t trust that you have a list of good people on the “right” side. IDK about them but some people are paid to be dufuses to make the rich Left feel good.
I’m informative but I’m not persuasive. While I’m good at providing and sharing information, I almost never convince anyone of changing any views. Tucker Carlson, Charlie Kirk, or David Sacks can and likely will challenge and change your views.
>How come today, the left is the party of war and the right the party of peace? >The left identifies with the Bushs and Cheneys while the right identifies with >the Kennedys.
>Oh cool, tell me which war is USA in right now? How many troops have we deployed to said place?
The left is very much anti-war, they've been echoing every single talking point your side has done, it's the centrists are the ones who have said they want to support Ukraine in it's defense of the invading Russia.
While under the Biden/Harris Administration, we are in:
1) The Ukraine and Russia war, 2) The China vs. Taiwan standoff in the South China Sea, 3) The Israel War vs Palestine, and 4) A proxy war against Iran over Israel. That’s 4 wars. If 4 wasn’t enough wars for you, South Korea against North Korea or Pakistan against India may have been soon to join.
Under the Trump Administration there was precisely 0 wars, 0 proxy wars, and even 0 terrorist attacks. More than half of these wars would never have started if he had been the commander and chief and you know it too. Peace through strength.
>Why didn’t we cut funding for further gain of function research after COVID-19 >after it escaped the formerly BSL2 lab at the wuhan institute of Virology?
We never funded said laboratory and the lab leak theory has still not been proven.
Now that years have passed and more analysis has been done, the lab leak theory has notably more evidence and support behind it than the Zoonotic (natural evolution) theory. Scientists put the odds at perhaps 1 in 1400 odds in favor of Zoonotic and 1399 in 1400 odds in favor of Lab Leak theory.
That is about as unbiased and neutral of a take as any but you already know you can type “origins of covid-19” into any search engine, podcast app or wherever you feel like doing any research nowadays. Heck, if you prefer, you can find a book on the topic but most evidence will lead to the same conclusion. Life is not a Disney movie or a fairy tale, but it can be if your only source of information is ABC and MSNBC.
>We never funded said laboratory.
Reuters: “US suspends federal funding to Wuhan lab over non-compliance”.
Reuters has a slight-left or center-left leaning bias so maybe you’ll trust them.
>What all was in The Twitter Files?
>Smoking weed and eating mcDonald's special: Nothingburger
“CEO Elon Musk gave the documents to journalists Matt Taibbi, Bari Weiss, Lee Fang, and authors Michael Shellenberger, David Zweig and Alex Berenson shortly after he acquired Twitter on October 27, 2022. Taibbi and Weiss coordinated the publication of the documents with Musk, releasing details of the files as a series of Twitter threads.” - Quoted from: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twitter_Files
Matt Taibbi’s reports on it sufficiently well in his Substack here: https://twitterfiles.substack.com
(Warning: Contains some NSFW and Not Safe for Children information).
>What is the Deep State and why do we still have one?
Government workers, so that our country can function.
I’m not an expert on the deep state though usually it refers to departments that can simply mark any grievances it makes as classified. Often it refers to one of the 17 branches of the intelligence community, but I don’t know. However I disagree with the premise that our country was functioning well or was headed in any great direction.
>Who was a threat to democracy? (in the Republic)? Do you remember >participating in any primary election?
Republicans storming Jan 6, 2020.
>No please refresh me, what were I doing during the primaries?
We don’t even know what land you’re in. I’m in the USA. In my country, the Democratic parties of most states chose not to hold a primary election.
Since when has any government in history been overthrown by unarmed people, but of course you were never privy to that detail because they didn’t want to let the facts get in the way of a good story or narrative. Over-politicized and naturally, embellished. Also, it was recently stormed again on October 16, 2024, this time by pro-Palestine supporters — but that doesn’t get as much attention because virtually none identify as Republican. Often Democrat, theocratic, or anarchist: https://voz.us/en/politics/231018/7642/pro-palestine-activis...
Either way, it’s political drama and not among the issues that matter the most.
>Should America continue having large amounts of illegal immigration or should there be more legal immigration? We all know how Miami and Texas voted.
>Well how sad then that Trump ordered the republicans to kill that bipartisan most extreme bill to date, that would have tried to be the beginning of the long array of fixes needed to secure the border.
Both sides were pointing their fingers at each other and it became hard to know which side is telling more of the truth. I tried to fact check this months ago by researching the bills and came up inconclusive.
All it takes are executive orders to close the border, or being willing to fire Mayorkis — and neither one requires congressional confirmation.
That bill in question might’ve been stuffed with pork barrel legislation and poison pills from both sides before it made it to the senate. Of the states that have the most first hand experience with illegal immigrants, all of California, Texas, and Florida voted Nay on it. Only New Mexico voted Yea and AZ was divided with the independent voting nay. There didn’t need to be a bill passed to close the border though.
>How come Detroit Michigan still has lead in their water and there are superfund sites all over America still? The only environmental policy the left today embraced is global warming.
>Because it's still reeling from the rust belt collapse? There's tons of conservationist and environmental policy but maybe my man/woman, maybe just maybeit's because global warming is an existential threat to us all.
Democrats have had 12 out of the last 16 years to clean up the lead from flint Michigan. Nothing happened. It’s no surprise all 7 purple swing states turned red this year, even Michigan! The people want change.
Global warming is a long and extensive topic worthy of it’s own thread but as quick bullet points:
-Some of the warming can be explained by the sun expanding as it ages, with solar flares being physically closer to the earth.
-If global warming was the real concern, private jets would’ve been banned yesterday.
-Find one or more famous statue or landmark in the USA that was above water many decades ago, and is now below water due to sea levels rising. The “inconvenient truth” by Al gore turned out to be embellishments for the sake of advancing a political cause that never came into fruition.
-The real concern they have is not having a one world government that controls all other governments. That’s the globalist end-game: a totalitarian government that no-one elected.
-Republicans are not against clean energy options or electric cars such as Tesla, or Ford Lightnings. Look at all of the solar and wind power stations there are in Texas. Elon Musk did more to stop global warming than any other man on earth. The rest mostly just virtue signal while driving their gas powered their Subarus, flying their private jets, and advocating for more gas powered armoured vehicles to drive all over Ukraine and all of these other war zones. Imagine the carbon footprint of war.
-To care extensively about globalist topics over all national environmental priorities is a sign of a party that has become captured, infiltrated, and controlled by foreign powers (such as the WEF) for the sake of gathering more power. This is merely a notice for some suspicion and skepticism.
> Or how about when on a Trump rally just before election they said that everyone in the democratic party are degenerates every single one of them, what a wonderful compassion these republicans have.
The phrase was by Roast comedian Tony Hinchcliffe calling Puerto Rico a floating island of garbage. This was at the Madison Square Gardens Rally in New York (MSG NY Rally) which had about 19 other speakers. All of the other speakers succeeded in not getting any negative publicity after the rally since Hinchcliffe absorbed it all. It was topped by Biden responding calling half of America that!! Then Trump started driving around a Garbage Truck for the photo ops after that.
Republicans are as welcoming as your local church. Even if you don’t believe any of the views, you’re still welcomed in. Most Republicans, except the most religious, are former Democrats but most Democrats have never been former Republicans. That’s why they’re so welcoming — because they were once just like you.
>And Republicans want to you have families? Sure if you don't need IFV, if you're not gay or trans.
Huh? Trump is very much pro-IVF and then Kamala copied that too like no tax on tips, no tax on overtime, or no tax on social security. Many things that he considered sending her a MAGA hat for since she was copying him on these.
He wouldn’t copy her on taxes for unrealized capital gains though. Probably her worst policy idea overall as that would’ve nuked the economy if that had ever happened. Congress probably wouldn’t have let that pass, but did we really want to take on that risk?
Anyways, nothing is changing for the gays or the trans communities. They still get gay marriage. Trans men just can’t play in women’s professional sports. And conservative families just don’t want to think their kid is going to be turned gay or trans by teachers in school. Nothing’s changing for the gay adults or the kids of far-left liberal parents who want their kids to turn gay or trans as the ultimate form of virtue signaling to their adult peers. It can still happen at home or outside of school. Kids are a captured audience and many believe in keeping political talk outside of the classroom. Some people don’t want their kids to grow up to be little Ella Emhoff’s (Kamala’s heavily tattooed stepdaughter who couldn’t even dress up past street clothes to go to her step mom’s electoral delegation).
>Why are all of the latest policies globalists first and Americans last?
I don't care about conspiracies like """globalists""", I care about my country, charlatans and demagagues are far greater threat than your perceived reality of "globalists".
First, It’s not a conspiracy if it’s true. Second, you dodged my question. Calling anyone who raises concern, a charlatan or a demagagues is typical for someone that can’t come up with a response to a debate. Attempting to gaslight the other side with namecalling was not the solution to winning this last election. I don’t know how one can believe that party unwilling to have these difficult and uncomfortable discussions is going to fix any of these problems.
>Why are all of the companies instituting mass layoffs?
For different reasons, one of the big one being automation.
I felt myself moving more to the left and closest to the center after reading that. I take pride in changing my view as new data and information arises. It turns out that however we know the picture is not so simple as solely automation. Increasing taxes such as the change in section 174 of the IRS tax to disallow deducting software R&D as a qualified business expense happened for many reasons. One of those reasons is because our government has so much wasteful spending so it vacuums more money out of the private sector to keep up with rising National Debt and rising interest payments on the National Debt. Due to the interest on our debt, a lot of that money doesn’t make it to the public sector, it just goes to pay treasury bond holders, who now in aggregate collect more money than the entirety of the defense budget! Trump was the only candidate supporting the Department of Government Efficiency thanks to Elon Musk’s influence in his campaign. If it weren’t for Musk, there wouldn’t be a DOGE.
The November JOBS report by the BLS showed that the only two sectors with job growth is healthcare (because people can’t live without it) and Government job growth. Analysts at the DOW Jones estimated 112k jobs would be added to the economy in that JOBS report but only 12k were added. Has Bidenomics been working? I like & support Biden because he is our President but Bernie Sanders, may have done a better job with the economy and some other areas. Bernie is the longest serving Independent in U.S. congressional history but he might’ve been made a marionette on the DNC establishment’s leash on the Democrat ticket.
It might not be wise to remain on the losing side. Nowadays tech startups and small tech founders are favoring the Republican side due to less stifling regulations for small business creation. However, large tech companies still favor the democratic side for the regulations that stifle new competition.
You may already know this but typically Republican congress members solicit money from lobbiests by cutting regulations while Democrat congressmembers solicit money from lobbiests by creating more regulations. Businesses lobby either side based on whether they want more or less, sometimes playing both sides. Democrat congressional leaders can also attract money from lobbyists by threatening businesses with new regulations if they don’t pay up. Ex: Elizabeth Warren. Some view that as paying “their fair share” while others view it as a shake down from a party that spends forever-increasing amounts of other people’s money. I view both perspectives as having some merit.
