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OK. Why are you trying to get me to focus on Trump being a liar and never mentioning his abnormally pacifist record which is more important?


Never mentioning his abnormally pacifist record which is more important?

Because he's nothing of the sort. He's an isolationist (more or less), which is a stance designed to look like pacifism but in fact is very different, and has all kinds of negative side effects, one of which is that it ultimately leads to war, or tolerance of things worse than war (and which is always fake populist stance anyway). See also:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America_First_(policy)

Seriously - remember when he said he would "make Mexico pay" for the wall he wanted to build? Exactly how do you think he would "make" Mexico do that? Is that a "pacifist" stance?

Or is he just making stuff up, to blow smoke in your face and push your buttons?


Correction: a better phrasing would be "pretends to be an isolationist", given the sibling remark in relation to his not-so pacifist support of the 2002 Iraq War:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42070803


> and never mentioning his abnormally pacifist record which is more important?

If Trump's brand of pacifism means negotiating with Russian terrorism, then it's not peace but the cuckolding of a nation and millions of people that lived through a period in time when the Soviets were actually a superpower. Peace when Russia is down and begging for violence would be an imbecile's decision.

Are we supposed to sincerely acquiesce to the demands of a humiliated nation that turned a "special military operation" into a blood feud with hundreds of thousands of casualties?


Pacifism can lead to losing wars or territory, yes. You can't have your cake and eat it too buy saying it's not true pacifism unless you fight baddies or that a war based on vengeance for humiliation is what a real pacifist would want.


Also, if you can explain your description of Trump's "abnormally pacifist record" in view of the fact that, when push came to shove back in 2022, Trump went along with the neocon slaughterfest just like everyone else:

   In the interview, which took place on Sept. 11, 2002, Stern asked Trump directly if he was for invading Iraq.

   "Yeah, I guess so," Trump responded. "I wish the first time it was done correctly."
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/andrewkaczynski/in-2002...

That would be quite helpful indeed.


But he didn't invade Iraq. That's not part of his record in government. Perhaps it's consistent with him being a liar and you should go by what he actually did instead of what he said.




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