The more interesting thing to consider is that Trump has said Elon will have an active role in his administration. How is he going to do that on top of everything else? How are Tesla investors going to feel about this?
I think for most of his business he already have other peiple he trust in charge of them. Its impossible to manage so many companies and he seens to spend more effort in Space X than Tesla, starking, etc...
The CEO of a company being one of most powerful people in government is excellent for Tesla investors. Much less so for the general population, as the conflict of interests is obvious.
Especially outside US - if next government will ignore world or start doing some serious harm (ie by being too friendly with putin), tesla drivers will be frowned upon universally and very few new sales can be expected, more like a lot of vandalism on cars.
I guess China is a gone market for tesla at this point.
This. Do people honestly think that Mike Johnson, who was planning to attempt to not certify the election and have the House try to overturn the result if Harris won, will really cede control EVER? Who’s going to force them now that they’ve captured the judiciary, Congress, and the White House? He’ll pardon himself on day one and never face his classified documents / espionage / treason charges, and die in office, however long they can prop him up for. I’m not even joking when I say that I doubt we’ll have federal elections in the future, as he’s said as much already.
The template these autocratic personalities follow is not to abolish elections, but to make them pointless exercises full of blatant corruption, coercion (violent or otherwise), and manipulation.
It's counterproductive to make claims like what you're claiming, because their supporters and people on the fence will turn around and point out how you're wrong in 4 years, or whatever.
There's still elections in Russia, Turkey, etc. And those leaders are very popular.
But they're not democracies. Opposition is not really permitted. Where legal repression isn't in place, mob violence and the like is employed.
That's the template you can expect to see followed.
He's quite old and no other Republican figure comes close to his popularity or cult-like following (assuming Americans aren't crazy enough to actually support RFK Jr). I'd imagine he'll do one term and then the next Republican candidate will be a more conventional politician.
I think he chose Vance for a reason. I think he wnats him to be his sucessor. I dont know much about Vance, but I saw his interview in the Joe Rogan, and he went very well there. Seens to have a good head above the shoulds and can be this more conventional politician you are talking about
I dont know, 4 years are hard to predict. I can see the current crisis in the world deepening and people search for a more traditional politician for that reason, like somoone more predictable in times of uncertain?
Not that I think the next 4 years of Trump will be bad for the avarage american. I think I will be troubled for the whole world because things are already walking in this direction.
He's likely going to die from a heart attack or something soon (fingers crossed), but both he and Vance are sock puppets for a more nefarious movement (the Heritage foundation & co) that want to end democracy and install an autocratic government.
Thiel paid for Vance’s successful Senate campaign. Now his made man is next in line for the presidency (behind an overweight 78-year-old with memory issues). An amazing ROI for his money.
Both Thiel and Vance have expressed their admiration for Curtis Yarvin, an extreme reactionary who advocates for a monarchy. Thiel has publicly said that democracy was a mistake and it all went wrong when women got the vote.
Musk’s Tesla job title is “Techno-King” which is also a Yarvin reference. These people have a plan, and old Donald is a tool for them.
If readers of this thread aren't familiar with the Thiel connection, you need to hear the journalist Whitney Webb's work. She's brilliant.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMYdu-vTuPI - "The REAL Reason Behind J.D. Vance’s VP Pick; Marty sits down with Whitney Webb and Mark Goodwin to discuss the partnership of the private tech sector with the surveillance state."
It's a two hour interview. Discussion of JD Vance and Palantir connection is at 12:30ish. A lot of "tin-foil hat" things seem pretty real.
> A lot of "tin-foil hat" things seem pretty real.
Yes it's tragically ironic that the people who believe most in outlandish conspiracy theories vote for the people who are openly involved in the most outlandish conspiracies, none of which said conspiracy theorists care about.
Yes - you may have noticed that the current president didn’t seek re-election for those reasons. His successor is just as old and not significantly better equipped mentally (judging by the way he talks and conducts himself).
Vance may become president much sooner than 2029, and Thiel and Musk will be the greatest beneficiaries.
The current president was ousterd by the part because it was becoming hard to pretend he even have a clue of where the hell he is. Last election he talked all type of absurd shit during campaing, and democrats didnt even bat an eye. Actually he was the perfect puppet for them. Do you really think it was not Kamala and the resto fo the people in charge of the democrat party thhat really rulled in place of Biden?
> Last election he talked all type of absurd shit during campaing, and democrats didnt even bat an eye.
Both of them had issues. And both of them got much worse since.
Eyes were batted, but there's no reason to change your vote because of a problem that both choices have.
And then it became an problem that only one choice had, but it feels like almost all the Trump supporters that were being loud about age issues were disingenuous...
Demos rulled 4 years with total support o the sillicon valley and you did not get nervous? Facebook and google have way more reach than Thiel and gave full access to govermnet to their tech and data.
I think its a crazy assumption to assume that over 200 years of political precident (4 year presidential terms) will be overturned by someone who got less votes than biden.
Every 4 years the same stuff happens, and yet every 4 years there is a so called "paradigm shift" or "rubicon crossed", when actually, nothing has really changed. It's getting really cringe and predictable.
US is the old democracy in the world. I live in brazil and there a bunch of reporters histeric people here assuming US will be a dictatorshio soon. Bitch, we where a dictatorship like 35 years ago, Time to worry about our own problems here.
Switzerland is, by some definitions, an older democracy than the US, if we neglect the short period of time when Napoleon conquered it (as we would similarly neglect the US Civil War). The Haudenosaunee have also been, in important senses, democratically governed for centuries longer than the US has existed, though possibly not as long as Switzerland. And presumably many small tribal peoples have remained democratic for millennia, though it's hard to tell in the absence of written records.
It does seem very likely that the Republican Party will govern the US for decades to come, like Perón's party has governed Argentina in between the military dictatorships, or Chávez's party governs Venezuela.
> It does seem very likely that the Republican Party will govern the US for decades to come
Either you're a troll, governed by recency bias (i.e. today), or not very competent in US politics. If the Democrats could get their act together even just slightly, they should have won 2016 and this election as well. How? It's simple demographics:
More and more people move to cities -> cities are typically blue -> easy for dems to get elected.
There should be absolutely no reason democrats lose so often and yet due to their incompetent antics they lose far more than they should.
Oh, I was talking about some other dynamics that are coming into play (the Supreme Court, perhaps mass deportations that 'accidentally' include some US citizens, discrimination against immigrants, changes to the Civil Service, etc.) I admire your simple faith but do not share it. I saw a lot of Venezuelans who did on the Venezuelan election day.
yeah man, us is not Brazil. This shit dont fly there. You americans are to worried when your institutions are way more solid than the resto of other democracies around the world. If he wanted to performe a coup, he had 4 years for that already,
Just stop being stuborn, start thinking about solving us real problems, and not demonizing the other party, and maybe the democrats will have a chance in the next election.
He literally didn't, it was a minority of his supporters who he specifically told to be peaceful and respectful. I'm so sick of seeing this lie shat out by everyone who's been manipulated by dem propaganda.
I don't support Trump. I can't vote in any country. I have no horses in this race, but seeing the lies and propaganda (from both sides) actually working is insane - the propaganda isn't even that good guys.
He claimed that the election was stolen and provoked the event, he knew his supporter base.
I also don't have a horse in the race, I'm not american and this is me exposing some of the lies around his presidency. He did it once and he will do it again. I don't see why I should belive that he somehow changed.
The media coverage around this guy is so insane that he can do whatever he wants and you'll still have people who will deny it.
