*> Sue me* Or read an HN thread on "true self-hosting", https://news.ycombinator...

BrandoElFollito · 2024-09-21T09:39:17 1726911557

They did not built their CPU from scratch, so this is not self hosting to me - they do not completely own the hardware.

Why arguing on semantics?

transpute · 2024-09-21T21:06:33 1726952793

The difference is more than semantics, but there will always be vendor innovation to blur boundaries.

BrandoElFollito · 2024-09-22T09:18:14 1726996694

No it is not. I self-host on my hardware and regularly consider moving some services to a VM hosted by someone else. It would still be self-hosting because I am in control of the service.

If you want to have a truly service "by you" this is going to be complicated to rewrite (or review) the applications and OS and build your own hardware from something arbitrarily defined as "scratch".

It sounds very much like the discussions of audiophiles about golden cables and what not - while others listen to the music for the pleasure of listening.

transpute · 2024-09-23T04:25:28 1727065528

> VM hosted by someone else ... would still be self-hosting because I am in control of the service.

A hosting vendor will have detailed "Terms of Service" by jurisdiction, self-hosting will not.

> complicated to rewrite (or review) the applications ... build your own hardware from scratch

There are options between those two extreme scenarios, many discussed at length in HN self-hosting threads.