All bug reports are good. But is this not obvious? Do the Haskell developers not use other language ecosystems? This goes beyond “this edge case is difficult” and into “the whole tooling stack is infamously hard to work with.” I just assumed Haskell, like eMacs, attracted a certain kind of developer that embraced the warts.
* Has an IDE which constantly puts itself into a bad state. E.g. it highlights and underlines code with red even when I know it's a pristine copy that passes its tests. I periodically have to close the project, navigate to it in the terminal, run 'git status --ignored' and delete all that crap and re-open the project.
* Is slow to start up.
* Has a build system with no obvious way to use a 'master list' of version numbers. In our microservice/microrepo system, it is a PITA to try to track down and remove a vulnerable dependency.
* Has been receiving loads of praise over the last 18 months for starting to include stuff that Haskell has included for ages. How's the latest "we're solving the null problem" going?
What the GHC compiler does for me is just so much better at producing working software than $DAYJOB language + professional $DAYJOB IDE, that I don't think about the tooling.
If you want to put yourself in my shoes: imagine you're getting shit done with TypeScript every day, and some C programmers come along and complain that it's missing the bare minimum of tools: strace, valgrind and gdb. How do you even reply to that?
> If you want to put yourself in my shoes: imagine you're getting shit done with TypeScript every day, and some C programmers come along and complain that it's missing the bare minimum of tools: strace, valgrind and gdb. How do you even reply to that?
You tell them to strace/valgrind node whatever.js and instead of gdb use built-in v8 debugger as node inspect whatever.js
We do use other ecosystems, yes. I haven't really found the tooling for Haskell to be particularly obstructive compared to other languages. I've run into plenty of mysteries in the typescript, python, ObjC/Swift, etc. ecosystems that have been just as irritating (sometimes much more irritating), and generally find that while HLS can be a bit janky, GHC is very good and I spend less time scratching my head looking at a piece of code that should work but does something wild than in other languages.
