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Streaming every NFL game this season requires 7 different services, costs $2,500 (marketwatch.com)
69 points by ilamont 66 days ago | hide | past | favorite | 87 comments



This is misleading. They are using the yearly cost for each streaming service but the NFL season is only about 5 months long including the playoffs. So you don't need to be subscribed for the whole year

And some of those streaming services are only getting one or two games. For instance, Netflix is only getting the Christmas games. They have Netflix listed as costing $84. If you only cared about the NFL games then you would only subscribe to Netflix for the month of December for $6.99. Peacock gets the Brazil game (which is tonight) and one playoff game in January so you'd only need two months of that. ESPN+ gets a game in week 7 so you'd only need one month of that.

Is it annoying to subscribe and cancel streaming services? Yes. But it wouldn't cost $2500 if you spend a few minutes cancelling each service.


>But it wouldn't cost $2500 if you spend a few minutes cancelling each service.

Sure, not quite that much, you're right.

But it's more than a few minutes to figure out which games are on which services in which months and then schedule all of your sign-ups and cancellations.

More important than the dollar amount, at least in my opinion, is that it's absolutely stupid to have to do any of that.


Seems like I should be able to pay someone to do this.


There are a number of services that will go into your bills, find subscription services, and offer to cancel them for you.


Someone should keep track of which streaming service I’m about to need and make sure I have a valid subscription which is subsequently disabled once I don’t need it. For instance I don’t need Peacock except during one half of NASCAR season.


Living abroad, I used to pay about $150/year for NFL Gamepass, and it was really good. Every game from every season, with the commercials cut out so you could watch a game in about 2 hours. Visiting the US and watching a game on TV was suddenly really painful, with its extra hour (literally) of commercials interspersed.

Then, last season, the NFL sold their Gamepass service to DAZN, who immediately ruined it.

The replay games suddenly had commercials again. Not real commercials either, just 2 minutes of DAZN House Ads every few plays, when the US version would be showing truck commercials. Even a week later after they should have had time to edit them down.

And you couldn't find your team's game to watch anyway, because they killed the team pages. Now all you get is a Netflix-style horizontal scroll of DAZN's "Football" category, showing six games at a time and a little right arrow to page by one game at a time.

It was amazing how fast I went from a loyal customer on autopay for years to demanding a refund and just not watching football anymore.


Well in the US we watch NFL games live, so there's really no way to cut out the commericals


NFL plus has the condensed replays usually up same day. Live games definitely way to much ads, but redzone completely fixes that.


This reminds me of someone showing how expensive apps actually are these days. What used to cost 40 bucks, one time, for the computer version now costs hundreds of dollars to buy all the 'packs' on the mobile version.


Mobile version of what?


A lot of old/popular computer games were remade into a mobile version with micro-transactions.


Extremely inaccurate and sloppy article.

FOX, CBS, NBC, ABC are all free over the air.

RedZone doesn’t count because it is not “a game.” You wouldn’t watch every single game and then watch RedZone because you are duplicating content.

I have no idea why they’re saying Netflix costs $84 when you’re only subscribing for one month to get the Christmas games.

Same deal with Peacock, Amazon Prime Video, ESPN+ you only need to subscribe during the season.

Not sure if you can count preseason as “season,” or maybe they should change the article title.

NFL season is 5 months. This is my math:

YouTubeTV/Sunday Ticket $419

Amazon Prime Video: $45

Peacock: $8

ESPN+: $55

Netflix: $7

Total: $534 plus tax, add $50 if you give a shit about the preseason (nobody does)


you would only need ESPN+ for october. there is only one ESPN+ exclusive game. all other ESPN games you get on youtube tv. that would bring you total under $500


It's about $20/month in the UK to watch all of the games (legally) via DAZN. So I guess that + a VPN isn't a bad option.


Doesn't UK have a similar problem but with soccer (The real game you play mainly with foot) games?


But NFL doesn't have all of the other games. It has the season for the league, and that's it. So there's no need to find your team's games in the international tournaments. Or the various providers for any of the national tourneys either. Also, there's only 16 games in the normal season, plus maybe a couple more for play offs. So you're paying a much higher rate for each individual game when you divide the cost per game for the subscription. The NFL is nothing but $$$ grab


Unrelated to your point, but there are 17 games in a season now (and they are floating the idea of 18 games).


The name football comes from the fact that it was played _on_ foot by the commoners, as opposed to the equestrian sports played by the nobility.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_(word) suggests neither definition has definitive support, giving a counter-example:

> Conversely, in 1363, King Edward III of England issued a proclamation banning "...handball, football, or hockey; coursing and cock-fighting, or other such idle games",[7] suggesting that "football" may have been differentiated from games that involved other parts of the body.


It would be cheaper for me to order a brand new MacBook Air to my mother-in-law in the UK, and then run an exit node via Tailscale, to access DAZN.

She has fiber, I have fiber, would work like a charm.


  I use a similar setup with my brother who lives in Europe, but instead of a
  MacBook Air, I’m using a Raspberry Pi.

  The Pi runs Tailscale as an exit node, and whenever I want to catch a game or a
  show, I simply connect to that exit node from my computer and launch the DAZN
  web app. It’s not something I use all the time, but it’s a great option when I
  need access to a game that isn’t available on my local streaming services.

  While this setup works, it’s far from ideal. Having to go through the entire
  process is a bit cumbersome. It would be much more convenient if there were a
  way to directly access the video feed stream—maybe with a dedicated cable box
  that you can control remotely.

  I’ve also come across some dubious streaming sites that broadcast virtually
  every channel from multiple providers—literally thousands of channels. I’ve
  always been curious how they manage to pull that off.


sling box used to do exactly that, but I haven't looked at them in years.


An Apple TV would be a lot cheaper than a MacBook air, and be useful to her as well.


Fifteen minutes after every game a condensed version of the games is posted on the NFL's YouTube channel. Most sports do this now.

Don't pay a premium for a McDonalds French fry.


I freakin' LOVED when the NHL started doing this. Longer than the old 2 minute highlights, but enough to catch up on games from a different time zone.


Just after they release a movie, you can read the whole plot on wikipedia for free! Don’t pay to see a movie.


flippant tone aside, this is a thing that actually happened!

not just after they release, but they would definitely show "abridged" versions of movies on daytime TV, with a little bit trimmed off to open up some space for commercials etc

just another thing that netflix ruined


And you don't really miss anything important, you see all the best plays and scores.

Example from last night: https://youtu.be/IENArFXpQD8?si=YuhqkVZdmJMKPzvR&t=566


some people want to watch the game and not just the highlights 3 hours later


Why watch the condensed version of the match at this point?

Just check what rank your team got at the end of the championship. Saves you time.


To be able to talk about the game


uh.. whole point of watching is the thrill of unpredictability in real time.


No, the whole point of sports in general is to have something to talk about with clients. Getting to the nut without wasting your weekend is great.


This is simply not true. You don't need Amazon Prime at all, those games are streamed on Twitch for free. You also only need some of these services for a month or two. Finally, you can get the network games for free with a TV antenna.


Don't you still need prime to watch on twitch


No, just need to be in the US. Unless they changed it? But I thought the whole reason they did it was because they were required to broadcast it for free in the teams that are playing's markets, and this was the easiest way for them to do that.


It's required prime since at least 2022



FTA:

> The total cost for a football fan who doesn’t have cable to stream all 343 NFL games this season is about $1,700.

The average NFL game is about 3 hours. That's 1,029 hours of content across all games. 1700/1029 = $1.65/hr for the content. That's a lot less than renting a movie. Yes, I know there are ads happening, too.

Seems fine.


No matter what abomination of greed we witness on this website, there's always some sucker who's going to justify it.


Someone is always around to point out that entertainment is not food or health care and you are free to choose which, and how much to consume. And that consuming all of it, all the time, however you like, for pennies, is not a human right.


People are frustrated that streaming promised to get us away from the absurdity of cable subscription packages, and now they are just as bad.

It's not a human right to watch NFL, you're right (even though no one is claiming that it is). But people are allowed to be frustrated.


That "someone" doesn't get that people are frustrated with the progressive "enshittification" of everything.

It's not about a single source of entertainment, it's that we're witnessing every nice thing become shittier and shittier each year, all for the purpose of increasing profits which are already immense and concentrated in the hands of a few.


No person is going to watch every game as some games play at the same time.

There should be a pay what you want to watch model that doesn't price higher then traditional plans.


I think it would make a little more sense if the games didn’t already have frequent commercial breaks and in-broadcast advertising.


They’d have to re-arrange how the sport works, I think. It’s a whole activity built for broadcast TV with commercial breaks.

If they cut the commercials you’d still have just as much time with nothing happening. An improvement, sure, but not great.


True but not 100% true. If you’re at a game in person you’d see all the times when gameplay stops for no reason purely for an added TV break and the players stand around on the field. Not a team timeout, just literally a TV timeout that neither team asked for.

Go to a high school game then go to an NFL game and you’ll see a massive difference.


Sure but the players need and appreciate those breaks.


Weird then how they don’t need them when the game isn’t televised.


> Yes, I know there are ads happening, too.

Isn't that the vast majority of the content? Or is it different for streaming?


"content". 1/3 of that is ads. You know what I'm not going to do? Pay for ads.


I wish I could just buy one team's games for a season "à la carte", especially for a team I might live 1000 miles away from now.


This is a bad article. The highest cost is network television/cable which is free if you buy an hd antenna


What part of every single game did you not understand?

Even if you have an HD antenna, there are black out rules so that if not enough tickets are sold for the game, the game will not be broadcast in the local area. I'm guessing that's pretty rare now, but it was part of my childhood for the extended family to go the family's lake cabin to see the game on TV. Never did anyone actually go to the game contributing to the feedback loop


> there are black out rules so that if not enough tickets are sold for the game, the game will not be broadcast in the local area.

The NFL stopped doing this in 2015.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_television_blackout_polici....


Shows how long it's been since I've paid attention to the NFL, but who comes up with these rules? Clearly, a bunch of lawyers, but like, how much of an asshole does one need to be to even think this stuff up?


Network TV is free, but ESPN certainly isn’t.


ESPN+ is included in the list though.


Exactly. OTA broadcasts are free and already beamed right into your home.


I can't pick up any stations in my house. :(


This is more expensive than actual season tickets to every game for a team.

(Yes for 1 person, whereas TV can be watched by a group; but still it's crazy expensive.)


Since I live out-of-market of my home team, on entering the season I am once again considering putting up an OTA DVR at my parent's house and watching all the in-market games.

Are there any good out of the box or open source self-hosted Aereo-like services, that let me access OTA broadcasts in another market?

I know that things like Tablo exist, but they seem very optimized for same-network use cases rather than remote streaming.


> Are there any good out of the box or open source self-hosted Aereo-like services, that let me access OTA broadcasts in another market?

Jellyfin with an HDHomerun is a pretty nice combo for this.


According to this article, one game will be streamed on Netflix but the cost of Netflix is listed as $84. I am confident that a one month isn't that much.

More generally, it appears that the article didn't consider how long each subscription would be needed to stream every NFL game. It instead looks at the price if one purchased each streaming subscription for the whole football season.


This is why I use SDR for baseball games... sure I can't see anything, but it's better than nothing, and essentially free...


Or just use Stream East...


This is only talking about streaming live games. If you're in the US and fine watching the next day, you can get an NFL+ subscription. I paid $99 for this year.

This is really useful if you follow multiple teams. You don't have to choose which one to watch when they play on the time slot.


Is it impossible to think science-fiction wise that soon we will have personal satellites and/or balloons giving us the freedom to watch the games on open stadiums? I understand that flying drones is illegal.


Most people want to see the broadcast, not just the game


I come from a culture where it's common for people to listen to the football[1] match on the radio while watching the players on TV at the same time, effectively splitting the experience.

[1] I mean the football of Messi, Maradona, and Argentina.


This ranks as one if the sh*ttiest mobile web sites I’ve tried to read in awhile. So many moving ads and the text just keeps shifting.


Install an ad blocker.


I doubt it would save this site.


Do it anyway. Can't get worse.


Bad faith article implies this is normal and expected, but most fans will just use whatever cable package they are already under to watch their team, plus maybe an extra package to see the rest of the games. Outside of the local blackout area an HD antenna will get a lot of games for the casual viewer. It’s like all the other major sports.


I don’t get it. People really pay for this?


I buy Sunday Ticket and Redzone, I had it last year and I really enjoyed being able to watch all the games, I used to use streaming sites but I was tired of them crashing every 10 minutes.


People won't go all out like they do in this example, but they will pony up for at least 1, maybe 2 of the services.

Edit: For example, if you have cable and already watch games there, you may buy NFL Sunday Ticket to watch other games that you may otherwise not be able to get.


People pay $10,000 for a personal seat license which gives them the right to buy tickets to the games, but not actually tickets to the games.


Sure. $2500/yr is a lot, but it's not a completely bonkers amount if it's a a significant hobby for you. There's far more expensive hobbies out there.


> There's far more expensive hobbies out there.

I spend about 10k/yr for skiing. Its so expensive but I cant seem to give it up. I don't spend money on anything else and live frugal to justify that.


Pro tip buy a condo in cottonwood heights and skiing becomes a $1000 a year hobby(with a refundable down payment). Plus flights to slc pretty cheap if youre on the west coast. Remote work has been amazing for my skiing


This is a completely disingenuous (or incompetent) breakdown of costs. It lists the cost of subscribing to services for the entire year when the season only lasts 6 months, and the need for some services is shorter than that.

And also, like most comparisons of streaming vs. cable costs, it lists the cost of cable as including both the internet service and TV programming. And then the streaming-only breakdown of costs pretends that you won't need to pay for any internet service at all.


Or you can vote with your wallet and boycott the games. They will eventually offer a solution when nobody is watching the games.


NFL games are consistently among the most watched shows on TV/streaming in the US. People are already voting with their wallets and they are voting that the content is worth it to them.


Just the number of sports bars paying for the games is probably enough


we have all the power and yet none at all -- enjoy the ride!




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