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You know what's 3 years behind the iPhone 15?

The iPhone 12.

Barely anyone wants to buy one.

You know what's 3 years behind the h100? Definitely something no one is seriously buying.

3 years behind is still way too far behind.

It took them 15 years to get 3 years behind.

It could take them another 15 to be 1 year behind.

And by then - who know - the chips of today might not matter. There might be some new kind of chip that they're even farther behind on.

Your guess is as good as mine that far in the future.



The M1 is four years ago, and all I hear is people saying they don’t see any point upgrading since it’s good enough for them.


If we focus on compute, the cores in the A14/M1 are excellent still, even in terms of efficiency. Mine holds up excellently. The iPhone 12’s 4GB RAM (6 on Pro) is its bottleneck.

The reason nearly no one wants the iPhone 12 is due to marketing, preferring to buy from Apple, and the 14’s new design, plus 13’s bigger batteries and 13 Pro’s 120Hz.

I sold a refurbished 12 Pro to a friend for very cheap and it should do well for a long time.


Your anecdata of what you hear people talking about and consumer trends do not agree.


Which trends exactly? I have M1 PRO and I agree with OP.


Sales trends.


Could you link your source of these trends? So I could see the numbers


Some consumer gaming data points:

- Geforce 3090 with 24GB will be 4 years old at the end of this month

- The PS5 is also almost 4 years old

- The Nintendo Switch is 7.5 years old

iPhone 12 is more like 4 years old. So is the M1!




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