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Butter made from CO2, not cows, tastes like 'the real thing', claims startup (theguardian.com)
20 points by Brajeshwar 7 months ago | hide | past | favorite | 25 comments



Using a huge amount of energy to capture a little bit of CO2, then burning more energy to package and ship it so the customer can eat it and fart it out again as CO2.

At least with other capture methods the end result stays captured and isn't dragged around the world. I don't see the benefit here.


The proper comparison isn't with other CO2 capture programs, it's with the environmentla impact of butter, both dairy and non-dairy.

Dairy is a large contributor to greenhouse gasses, so if this can reduce the environmental impact of butter by convincing enough people to stop eating dairy butter, it can have a net positive outcome.


in that case why not just force more vegetable-oil based margarines?

grow veg, press, whip, ship, eat. no fancy tech needed, and no pretentions of capturing CO2 (but not really), and an overall lower use compared to cows or capture.


I imagine it tastes like the real thing the same way Impossible beef does.

It doesn't.

I'm skeptical until a wider audience tries it.


Does someone has a more technical link? I can't find it...

Last time I read a similar project, they were hiding in the PR that they were using bacterias instead of chemistry or magic. When you see

CO2+solar -> grass -> cow -> butter

CO2+energy -> bacteria -> "butter"

part of the magic disappears.

It also is important to read the technical details about the composition of the fatty acids to know if it's "butter" or "margarine".


The fact that the company indicates their product tastes great sets it apart from all those other food companies who say their product tastes just ok.


I mean, you can argue that Margarin is made primarily by capturing CO2 from our atmosphere and energy from the sun.

Some may even claim that you can't believe it's not butter.


Why didn’t the rise in interest rates kill this startup? I was hoping we’d get away from funding extremely dumb ideas.


Why is fake food so popular with billionaires? Unlike natural foods that are readily available, it's patentable!


It's because many natural alternatives to meat or dairy don't taste the same or necessarily as good as what they are replacing.

We need something that is more equivalent to convince large numbers of people to switch.

Bovine agriculture on a commercial scale is unsustainable and cruel.

The only way totally natural old fashioned options that might be less cruel could work is if only a very small portion of the population has access to them. Some people seriously would like to see 90% of the human population killed off and to regress to a largely pre-industrial system. In my opinion, this is a very ignorant idea.


> We need something that is more equivalent to convince large numbers of people to switch.

Maybe?

I have a friend who went from being a heavy meat-eater to vegan, for health reasons rather than ethical/environmental ones.

He really struggled with making the change until he stopped using meat substitutes and making meat-free versions of meat-based dishes. Once he did that, he found that the food was actually delicious in its own right, and no longer felt that he was sacrificing anything.

The lesson I took from that is that whatever your diet consists of, it's a mistake to try to make it resemble a different sort of diet. Embrace it on its own terms.


>Bovine agriculture on a commercial scale is unsustainable

Seriously? Based on what? Cows can process plant matter we can't. Plant matter that takes FAR less resources to grow than plant matter we can digest.


Grass fed beef maybe, but the majority of cows are being fed grain, broken potato chips, and soy...all of which are suitable for human consumption.

Even taking into account what cows can consume, the organic matter would be better used growing mushroom or other fungi that can produce the same enzymes that break down the cell walls that the microbes in the guts of the cows are using.


That seems to be a problem with crop surpluses and grazing land shortages. And government subsidies, can't forget those can we?

I for one was extremely surprised to learn that hay, dried plant matter, is universally expensive from California to Calcutta.



Some people want to minimize animal suffering.


And Bill Gates loves to make lots of money. If he can pretend he's also saving the planet and ending animal suffering that's just a double bonus.

BTW - I have friends who own diaries - they treat their cows way better than our government treats our veterans.


What a weird tangent, how are those two things related?


I am glad to hear that the intersection of Diary Authors and Humane Cow Owners has such a healthy overlap. :p

But seriously, how the US treats veterans is nuts.


From Guns, Germs, and Steel, my impression is that cows as a species will go extinct if not domesticated.

I am all for grass fed free ranging happy cows, of course, and I personally don’t eat red meat.

But I don’t know where on the scale of animal suffering it all falls.


> my impression is that cows as a species will go extinct if not domesticated.

Is that bad? Cows aren't necessary for the food chain and them not existing won't do anything to harm the environment, it will do the exact opposite.

The "cow species" isn't a sentient being who cares whether or not it exists, so if we can reduce the suffering of individual cows who are already here and the outcome is that domesticated cows go extinct, I don't see that as being bad.

It is bad for the dairy farmer, but it's worse for the individual cows and the environment if we keep things the way they are.

Even free-range cows are sent to get fattened up on corn that they can't properly digest before they're slaughtered. Despite what Temple Grandin tried to do, cows are still very stressed and scared before they're slaughtered, and the slaughter process is optimized for speed, so the bolt gun doesn't always stun the cow before they're bled out.

I think it would be hard to look at what we do to end a cow's life at just a fraction of it's natural length and think that it's better than allowing domestic cows to go extinct.


I don't think we're in any danger of reducing our livestock levels to the point where cows become an endangered species, nuclear Armageddon notwithstanding.


If we wanted to, we could turn domestic cows back into something like aurochs with selective breeding.


Or help the environment


Overly optimistic back of the napkin calculations make it look really really good.

How many people eat food? Everyone.

How often they eat food? Like every day, or even multiple times a day...

So if we get everyone on planet to eat our thing what twice a week? Easy surely...

So if we get like 1 or 5 profit for each sale? That is what 2 times 52 times 8 billion. 800 billion a year, or 4 trillion if we charge a bit more...

Now that is lot of profit a year...




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