> I would say: For good reason. The value is too low.
Oh my god, absolutely not. The value is extremely high to me, the consumer, even if the company doesn't care. Sure, they can technically still get their value proposition out even if the app is slow and bloated and sucky because every app these days is slow and bloated and sucky. And you can say they only care about money all you want, but that's not going to convince me that's a good reason for an app to perform terribly.
> To me, the point of Electron is a lovely platform with very high developer productivity. This is partly the reason why Java/C# was able to displace so much C&C++ code inside big enterprise corps writing CRUD apps. Sure, Java/C# is a bit bloatly/slow compared to C&C++, but the developer productivity is way higher.
I use Tauri in place of Electron and it's a lot snappier than Electron is, and you can get much of the same benefits in terms of developer productivity, because it's also just a webview. The host side needs to be a Rust application, but I wouldn't say it's much more difficult to get started with than Electron. Obviously, what you put inside the webview still matters, but in general, I'd say Electron is just an inferior choice in most cases, even if you do legitimately want a webview.
> I don't understand this part. Can you explain more? Maybe an example would help.
Parent said the lack of progress bars in GNOME make it feel slow. I argue that while progress bars could be a hack to make the user more open to waiting, the issue is that the user probably shouldn't need to wait at all. There are definitely cases where a progress bar is a good idea, but they shouldn't be needed in most cases.
For example, if I right-click a message in Discord, sometimes the context menu contains a loading spinner. I have to wait for the context menu to finish loading. Is a loading spinner the right solution here? Surely the user wouldn't want for the menu to not open, or for it to simply be blank until it loads. I think none of those are quite right. The context menu shouldn't have to load at all, it should simply open.
How the fuck is that possible, permissible, tolerated?
Another example. I am looking for a different file browser because Dolphin waits while something happens when I select a bunch of files and right-click. I know that it is downloading something very slowly because I can see the network activity but I have no idea why.
> I am looking for a different file browser because Dolphin waits while something happens when I select a bunch of files and right-click.
File browsers being slow seems like a common issue. When I tell Windows 11 Explorer to sort by modified date, it has to slowly load the list and populate the files one by one. What the fuck it is doing I have absolutely no clue. All I know is that it's doing something it shouldn't, because the last modified date should be returned instantly by the directory listing, and no additional metadata should be required to perform the sort.
And back on macOS, around five years ago, whenever I opened a folder, Finder would wait for a few seconds and then play the uncollapse animation for every folder I have expanded, shifting the position of basically every item in the list (and also causing tons of lag).
I think the second one is a well-intentioned feature that just needs some work, but the first one is just garbage, that's not how it should work.
Oh my god, absolutely not. The value is extremely high to me, the consumer, even if the company doesn't care. Sure, they can technically still get their value proposition out even if the app is slow and bloated and sucky because every app these days is slow and bloated and sucky. And you can say they only care about money all you want, but that's not going to convince me that's a good reason for an app to perform terribly.
> To me, the point of Electron is a lovely platform with very high developer productivity. This is partly the reason why Java/C# was able to displace so much C&C++ code inside big enterprise corps writing CRUD apps. Sure, Java/C# is a bit bloatly/slow compared to C&C++, but the developer productivity is way higher.
I use Tauri in place of Electron and it's a lot snappier than Electron is, and you can get much of the same benefits in terms of developer productivity, because it's also just a webview. The host side needs to be a Rust application, but I wouldn't say it's much more difficult to get started with than Electron. Obviously, what you put inside the webview still matters, but in general, I'd say Electron is just an inferior choice in most cases, even if you do legitimately want a webview.
> I don't understand this part. Can you explain more? Maybe an example would help.
Parent said the lack of progress bars in GNOME make it feel slow. I argue that while progress bars could be a hack to make the user more open to waiting, the issue is that the user probably shouldn't need to wait at all. There are definitely cases where a progress bar is a good idea, but they shouldn't be needed in most cases.
For example, if I right-click a message in Discord, sometimes the context menu contains a loading spinner. I have to wait for the context menu to finish loading. Is a loading spinner the right solution here? Surely the user wouldn't want for the menu to not open, or for it to simply be blank until it loads. I think none of those are quite right. The context menu shouldn't have to load at all, it should simply open.