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What if I want to buy a fully integrated, fully bundled install-and-forget OS?

If the EU makes Apple unbundle all the good stuff from macOS I'll finally move to the US.



The EU wants to give you the choice. You will have the choice to use everything Apple makes.

The only reason to move to the US would be because you really don't want to have a choice, but that would be weird.


The probability that they are actually a EU resident and move to the US because of app bundling is close to zero. And yes, that would be completely ridiculous.


I said finally, meaning it's the last straw, not that it's the sole reason.


"They used to sell exclusively hot-dogs, and now they sell hot-dogs and hamburgers. That's the last straw, I'm going back to the US where they only sell hot-dogs!"

You have to admit it sounds slightly ridiculous, right?


Yeah it does, not sure why are we talking about that though. It's a complete misrepresentation of the situation.

Let's take Google services as an example. I'm no fan of Google but their integrated search/Maps/PoI/hotels/directions/flight tickets experience was perfect, my workflow depends on it a lot. Now I can't use it without a US VPN, the only thing I get without it are some useless web search results and a small picture of a map that doesn't show anything interesting and doesn't do anything on click.

Not going "back" BTW, I was born in EU. And of course, it's really not just about the online services. Land costs absurd money, wages are absurdly low, energy strategy is completely idiotic and thus energy prices are absurd, business administration is unnecessarily hard, regulations are hard to understand and navigate, and so on. I don't want to live in an environment where a bunch of ideologists chosen by people out of my own state fight my life at every step. Wanna bet when they try to pass Chat Control again? Why am I required to own a Google/Apple controlled device to do basically anything, like register a car or pay taxes?


So much frustration here :-/


Yeah, it's tiring.


Making bundles is always ok as long as it's not commercially unsound way to push other competitors out. Antitrust rules mostly concern dominant players in a market because they are usually the only ones able to do that (though VC-backed companies that have been in the red for decade or more are similar).

In general, MacBooks have always been bundled with MacOS, and Apple did not hold a dominant position in laptops when they started bundling OS (and everyone else usually does too: computer is largely useless without an OS).

If you price bundles commercially (eg. price of Word itself should not equal price of the entire Office suite), and not at a loss, that is generally ok.

So if Apple is forced to unbundle the OS but decides to sell at $10 or $20 (usually the price of Windows on laptops you can get without an OS), do you think it changes anything for customers who like MacOS?

It only ensures Apple has to support those who don't want MacOS.


Each operating system coming from the biggest corporations should offer two paths: express/recommended setup and a fully customizable one for advanced users.


Just use the express setup.




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