yep exactly. In contrast, with "Dreams" -- if you change your mind or stop pursuing them or take a break from pursuing them... the implication is "failure". It's unnecessary, distracting pressure.
Following your dreams is directly linked to your ability to obtain funding.
This world has major problems in grasping different perspectives of others than the ones we're born with. When I do speeches for younger audiences, I always remind them to consider perspectives other than the ones they were raised in. It's baffling how many people walk around thinking that their perspective is fair to impose on everyone.
I think a lot of our current problems, especially wealth inequality, racism, and wars are driven by dreamers that only see their own personal vision, while also being driven by total blindness to the other perspectives affected around them.
I personally learned over many years and setbacks to live like a fisherman, not investing fully into any one category, just casting my reel in different spots and seeing if anything "bites"... If success bites, I fish in that area more, hoping that I will find enough success.
So far, I've mostly found success in embracing all the things I don't enjoy doing in order to fund the things I do enjoy... From my experience, most people (those not born into wealth & priviledge) don't earn great money unless they dive into doing things they don't enjoy...
I think it's important to be practical about it all.
> I think a lot of our current problems, especially wealth inequality, racism, and wars
How are "dreamers" who see their own vision driving racism? We're talking about jobs and entrepreneurship here. In that context how has someone's vision been the driver of racism?
How do you connect racism to people following their own personal vision? Wouldn't that imply that all human phenomena result from individuals pursuing their personal visions?
the problem is that our dreams and visions are not created on a blank sheet, but they are the outcome of our upbringing and our influences. which is why some people don't develop any dreams at all when they grow up.
racism connects to visions by these people growing up in a racist environment and developing their life vision based on that.
this again brings me back to daryl davis https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40347671 who was essentially able to change the vision of people because that vision wasn't built on a strong foundation to begin with. as is true for most peoples visions and dreams.
visions and dreams are developed within the context of the communities that we join. at least all mine were. but none of those visions were work related. and how could they be? for a work related vision i needed to be in a work environment. only when i started working, i began to develop visions on how my career could develop. every work vision before that was a fantasy with little grounding in reality. it was only later that i was able to develop specific goals for my life. and even those were not defining. i had a very general vision for my life, but the things i do now didn't appear in any of my visions because until i was able to do them i had no idea that this was possible. on the other hand, some of the things that were in my original vision did become a reality. (but this may be survivorship bias, i probably forgot about the things i envisioned but was not able to do)
the more i think about it, the more i believe that we should not get attached to our dreams, because they are built on a very limited experience
and i also believe that the way to change our society including the elimination of racism and prejudices is to help each individual to develop a better life vision.
Agreed, I think the word "bias" kind of depicts the issue better in some cases... Bias, detailing an upbringing that is devoid of knowing, respecting, being conscious of, and considering cultures outside of one's own...
I don't think it becomes the larger (societal-level) instance of racism until it is willfully and intentionally applied towards holding others of a specific race down, or discriminating against the race of others in esteem.
I think this was just part of the main script. "People don't mix together", "if we give to their there won't be enough for mine", "can't they just figure it out themselves"
The idea of letting white people flourish based on their own merits (and they have the keys to the castle, the government, economy behind it) was the centerpiece of modern discrimination.
Unequal separation to benefit whites was certain people's personal visions. Although, what's being lost here is it's more a class of people in their vision for the group.
Ironically things like love and bonding might be related... but that's a conversation for another day.
Personal perspective is influenced by personal bias, we all have it.
Our dreams often include the participation of others, the may account for diversity, but often do not. As Elon pushes an anti-DEI narrative on his "dream" ventures (Like Twitter and Tesla) a lot, it's just one example of how racism (consciously or not) manifests in harmful ways, and can affect the lives of others negatively.
What you're talking about is a stunning inability to empathize with different circumstances that is a trademark human trait. We have limited ability to empathize beyond:
self -> people just like us -> family -> friends
As soon as you leave self it gets tricky, and only harder the more different and detached. It is shocking to see in light of modern morals. In fairness the idea of empathizing with differing peoples is a relatively new virtue; at least to place a high value on this is new.
Honestly, these types of things cause me existential dread. It's just so disheartening to see smart and caring people constantly turn into psychopaths over the slightest difference.
Every time you think they've figured it out, only to be let down later. It's one thing not to SEE it, but they never understand, even after explanation. You practically have to get them to take a college course before they "get it" (poorly, but they sorta understand now).
The ironical thing about the "Follow what creates value for other people" advice - for math graduates in particular - is that most of modern math doesn't seem to be motivated this.
I'd probably agree that research math also doesn't come from a goal of "self growth", but maybe it should be something like "follow your curiosity".
I used to sell cars and was top 0.1% in the country at it.
Yet others would say I was a parasite costing them money for nothing. But they were ignoring I was providing value for the dealership and its collection of employees even beyond the owners. I worked for a public corporation. Tons of stake holders profited via stock value while I was there.
On a tangent, people always say they'd rather just buy cars online. Great you can do that for one. Second, if all manufacturers did that, month 1 results would be whatever they were. On day 1 of month 2, some MBA would say "hey, if we had a human these people could call, chat with, or even visit with for a test drive, wouldn't sales go up? Let's try it!" And within a month you'd have salespeople interacting with customers again.
> you mean buying direct from manufacturer for their asking price online. I mean…
Ok, but buying from their local dealership’s website is not what most people mean when they say they want to buy cars online. Likewise, when they say they buy their pens online, they don’t mean they buy them from the website of their local mom & pop stationary store.
I suppose, but if the price is non negotiable like with the Tesla model, does it really matter?
Would you really prefer to buy online and it gets shipped to your house via a trucker, vs buying it on the dealer website and their local driver or the salesperson delivers it?
For a big purchase like a car, I don't think home delivery vs. pick-up in town matters much at all. I'll defer to your experience, but my expectation is that cars are such a big purchase that the time cost of one trip to pick up the purchased car is negligible.
The reason people want to be able to buy directly from the manufacturer is that they want to see real posted prices so that they can comparison shop from home without needing to drive around to twenty separate dealerships (or have painful email conversations with twenty separate salesmen) to discover the real price for each car. In other words, they want an efficient public market where the posted prices reflect the actual going rate, so that they can be confident they are getting the fair market price, rather than needing to negotiate to avoid price discrimination.
Not trying to argue, but few people that negotiate are doing it based on any true market value. If you see a BMW X5 for $50k on a dealer site, and an Audi Q7 for $50k, you can buy whichever one you want for $50k. I sold Audis when the Q5 first came out, and we simply wouldn't discount them. Tons of people would mention they could get $4k off at BMW, so why wouldn't we do similar. There simply wasn't a reason to. We would sell all of ours at MSRP. I suppose what you're saying is that you wish BMW just listed a lower price on their SUV that year so that everyone could compare easily? But if we go to the manufacturer model, it'll either still be static yearly pricing like MSRP is today.. or they'll do dynamic pricing like Tesla where people that bought the month prior sometimes pay a few thousand more than people that bought today.
Most customers come and try to negotiate down randomly. For a while the sites showing average price paid were interesting, and as a consumer I totally get it. But you can also get a feel for what deals a dealership is offering by just browsing their special page usually. And then buying like you would from the manufacturer.
Dealerships still play games partially because of the manufacturers sending limited numbers of certain cars and more of others. Currently Tesla is sitting on a large backlog of cars in storage. For other brands, dealers take up this slack. Dodge currently has a 2 YEAR supply of one of their crossovers sitting on dealership lots. It's going to be a huge problem for dealers.
> Not trying to argue, but few people that negotiate are doing it based on any true market value.
It’s because they don’t know the value and/or they are bad at negotiating. That’s why they want to avoid it. Likewise, when I invest my retirement money, I just want to buy a broad index fund where I know I am getting the market-clearing price. I don’t want to have to know a guy who can get me a great deal on Microsoft stock, could I come down to the lot and talk about it?
> I suppose what you're saying is that you wish BMW just listed a lower price on their SUV that year so that everyone could compare easily
Yes.
> But if we go to the manufacturer model, it'll either still be static yearly pricing like MSRP is today.. or they'll do dynamic pricing like Tesla where people that bought the month prior sometimes pay a few thousand more than people that bought today.
Prices fluctuate. Airplane tickets double in price overnight, and some of that is price discrimination. But the rules are clear: last-minute tickets are a more valuable commodity. At any time, I can check one website and see reliable prices all flights between two places. I don’t have to go to each airline website anymore, much less talk to a human.
> But you can also get a feel for what deals a dealership is offering by just browsing their special page usually.
This is a wasteful, inefficient way to run a market.
Absolutely. If a vehicle is discounted towards invoice, a salesperson can easily end up making $250 on a $100,000 fully loaded Audi A8.
Heck, I've sold used cars at asking price and still made $250 just because the dealership overpaid on the trade in.
All in all it all adds up and evens out, but mentally it can be frustrating coming into work on 4th of July and spending hours with someone trying to have fun looking at 4 cars and then leaving. And then finally selling one at 7pm and staying late, to make $250.
And with the way the pay plans are structured, it's hourly pay OR commission whichever is higher..so if you sold a few cars Wednesday Thursday for $2k, you can end up coming to work Friday Saturday Sunday, not selling anything, and technically didnt get paid anything more for those hours.
One may cite Grothendieck as counterexamples, but maybe they still only had themselves in their adjacent subfields (at the time they made their most impactful discoveries, anyway)
I don't think it's ironic at all. The vast majority of math graduates don't do pure math research after graduation. And modern pure mathematicians dramatically undercut how much of their research was, in relatively recent history, driven mainly by practical value.
> The ironical thing about the "Follow what creates value for other people" advice - for math graduates in particular - is that most of modern math doesn't seem to be motivated this.
I do believe that the results of math research (even the pure one) create an insane value for other people, but that we live in a world full of ignorant people who don't see this insane value (yet). Thus, the modern math research may not be motivated by this criterion, but in most cases nearly tautologically creates a lot of value for other people.
I agree. You can still make a great living just by sifting through the nuggets unearthed by people like Gauss, Euler, and Laplace, which continue to pay dividends centuries later, let alone inventing new math.
also, creating value is different from capturing value.
You can create value but not capture it (or don't have the ability to capture it). But somebody tends to capture the value, and if it's not you, it's probably going to be your boss (or their boss, etc).
He already had me at his mention of survivorship bias (something that I feel is ignored a bit too often in this space), but the whole speech was great!
I'm generally on the other end of the spectrum (playing it safe instead of following my dreams), but somehow this motivated me to go a bit further into trying something new.
I happened to see someone wearing a 3Blue1Brown t-shirt today and decided to buy one myself to (modestly) support the channel. In addition to shirts, there are also socks and stuffed animals, apparently: https://store.dftba.com/collections/3blue1brown
My son is 4 and saw me watching one of his videos with the colorful Pi characters and was intrigued. After multiple repeated requests to watch "Pi friends" we ended up getting him one of the plush Pi creatures which he still loves.
You're suspicious my comment is an ad, or the original post? I have zero affiliation with the channel, have never emailed with the creator or anyone on their team, and am not even subscribed to the youtube channel. I just saw a guy wearing one of the shirts at the Palo Alto farmer's market and was intrigued. My first reaction was "is that the guy who runs the channel?" and then I realized he probably had a shop and probably didn't go around wearing his own swag.
You might check someone's account age or history first. Typically people won't accumulate many thousands of karma points if they are shilling for brands.
I've been active here for over a decade. If I did that so I could start shilling for brands in my 40s, that'd be a hell of a long con. Also, I pointed out that it's useful to check users' histories. A few seconds with my comment history would reveal that I'm more of a grump than a shill.
Whatever the motivations (and FWIW it does seem like a channel very worthy of support), I can confirm it is at least the official 'Store' linked to from the official website: https://www.3blue1brown.com/
this is an important point. i remember while in school we were sent into a library that had documentation on the various apprentice and training programs that existed, detailing the regulations and requirements for each. but i also remember it being a grey wall of shelves with folders all looking the same, totally uninspiring. i was able to look up the things that i was already interested in but i did not get any inspiration for what else i could be doing.
we did two internships, one in 9th grade and one in 10th. we had to find those internships ourselves, go to the companies, ask and apply. (as a practice how to apply for jobs)
i had no idea what i wanted to do. the first internship i did at a bike shop because i had built my own bike before so i casually asked, and then they accepted me before i was even sure that this is what i wanted to do myself. i was to unsure of myself to tell them that i had not even decided myself. it was a wasted opportunity because i already knew a lot about bikes, so i barely learned anything new. at best i learned about dealing with bosses and managers, but even that hardly registered. the second internship was better, at a company designing ship propulsion systems. i got introduced to CAD on paper and on the computer and to work in a machine shop to create machine parts. not something i wanted to do, but it gave me insights into that industry that i still find valuable today.
long story short, the problem was that i had no idea what i wanted to do. the one dream job (ships captain) was kind of out of reach because the training on the ship would have meant to stop wearing my braces which required monthly dentist visits. or at least so i thought. because the real problem was that there was noone to talk to about these concerns.
so i just stumbled into IT.
i mean, sure, i was the kid who spent their afternoons after class alone in the computerlab in school. (even got locked in once because the cleaners didn't realize i was in there) but then i did an internship at a friends software company and decided that working in an office all day was not for me.
but i went on to study computer science anyways. again, because i lacked inspiration to study anything else. i was always picking stuff i was already familiar with.
i was traveling a lot by myself in the school holidays, but i never even considered what kind of jobs might be available in that space.
so yeah, i was one of those kids without a dream or with a dream that i believed was out of reach. and my career development was a sequence of coincidences. i eventually realized that programming was fun, thanks to roxen and pike, despite that office internship experience. and the relative higher pay afforded me some freedoms and the ability to take risks i would not have been able to otherwise. my affinity for travel opened up jobs all across the world, and so in the end despite struggling to find work now, i am pretty happy with where i ended up.
it is difficult to say what would have helped to develop more ideas for potential work i could be doing. more internships would probably have been good as well as other opportunities to get an insight into various jobs and industries. individual career counseling that really tries to work out potential interests. are there books or movies that could be inspiring?
I find it very ironic that Americans seem to understand better as a culture that they need to diversity their investment portfolio, but at the same time seem to ignore that concept in their personal life more than almost any European.
It seems like the concept that there probably shouldn't be any single goal or purpose in life that needs to be maxed, and that life is a basket is foreign to most.
Its the one thing that really needs to be true. I've met many entrepreneurs and although chaos is usually something that impedes a company it's not always true. I know people with decades old multi million dollar profit companies and you see behind the curtain and its literally a mess. I know companies that do zero advertisement and are doing year over year growth. I see companies that are extremely unfriendly to their customers but deliver a product that they cant get somewhere else... The only real thing that connects all these companies is that they are selling something people want.
I tend to agree - just look at large parts of the Venture Capital / Start-Up scene. Chasing the coveted product/market-fit is a purpose in itself there (at least in the early stages). I guess it depends on what you define as "successful"...
