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That should be the last concern of any decent human being. If they outlaw breathing, will you stop? Hunting is something our species has done for over a billion years by this point.



I am pro-hunting. But this isn’t a good argument.

1) equivocating hunting with breathing? One is necessary for life, the other is done by less than a quarter of people, and for most of them it’s just a hobby.

2) slavery has also been done probably since humanity began millions of years ago, so that clearly is not sufficient for something shoulding be legal.


Hunting is just as necessary for life as breathing. Domestication of animals and agriculture are the unnatural ways that man has invented. So banning it is banning the most natural human behaviour. All other predators do nothing except hunt, breathe, drink, sleep and mate. And they don't keep slaves.

There's a lot of people who never drink water, but drinking water is still essential and shouldn't be outlawed.


That doesn't make any sense. What makes hunting any more natural than agriculture? Isn't exerting control over our environment one of the defining characteristics of humanity?


It is more natural because creatures in nature do it. Together with mating, hunting is one of the foundations of life itself for the predator or omnivore class of animals.

All the behaviours that we have in common with other mammals are natural and eternal. They can never be legislated away, even though many have tried and they have died. Including kings trying to ban hunting certain game for commoners and having them for themselves.


> It is more natural because creatures in nature do it. All the behaviours that we have in common with other mammals are natural and eternal. They can never be legislated away

We outlaw all sorts of things that can be found in nature.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infanticide_(zoology)


"Creatures in nature" also "farm" and have symbiotic and/or co-evolutionary relationships with other species.

https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn20630-zoologger-the-f...


That's an uninteresting reach, isn't it?


>>> What makes hunting any more natural than agriculture?

>> It is more natural because creatures in nature do it.

> "Creatures in nature" also "farm"

Thus "hunting" is not "more natural" than agriculture and domestication of other species.

If you don't find it interesting that non-human life has been performing behaviors humans think unique to themselves, well that's your problem.


Additionally, “natural” =/= “necessary to life”. Millions if not billions of people have the means to hunt if they wanted to, yet choose not to. And they are just fine.


That's an odd view, were hunter-gatherers less human than us?


>> Hunting is something our species has done for over a billion years by this point.

Sustenance hunting yes, but the rules about selling wild meat are to prevent market hunting. There are more humans by weight than any other land animal. If the general population started eating hunted meat, any wild population would be wiped out. So we have careful rules to ensure hunters do not hunt simply to sell the meat.


I agree that there is a difference, but a very small difference. Even animals share their prey with those who didn't participate in the hunt.

If the general population started eating hunted meat, vast agricultural areas would be returned to nature, giving a slight offset to that problem.

But jumping back to reality, those people who actually hunt and purchase hunted meat right now are people who care about nature and shepherd it with responsibility. They can safely ignore any hacker that starts yapping about some law written by unnatural people.


> If the general population started eating hunted meat, vast agricultural areas would be returned to nature, giving a slight offset to that problem.

I don't think the math works here. There isn't enough agricultural area on the planet to sustainably generate enough hunted Calories for the general population.


I wrote "slight offset".


The selling of hunted meet to the general population for profit is a very very slippery slope.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passenger_pigeon https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punt_gun


Hunting isn't illegal. Selling hunted meat is. It combats overhunting and poaching.


Sincere question - how does one "overhunt"?

If I were to use a huge trawler with a big net to catch hundreds of fish I would call that overfishing. But is that even fishing?

Thwres nuance between artisanal and industrial, and both get caught with the same word


It’s simple… harvesting more than the population you are hunting can sustain. A lot of animals outside or deer are regulated through a lottery system, if everyone who wanted to hunt a bear, mountain goat, or cougar did every year, we’d have none.


One issue with confusing laws with ethics: We forget that lines are best drawn between doing harm and not.


We have deer seasons for a reason. Lots of times you can only hunt the male bucks to keep populations in check. People have decimated populations. Look at the Goliath Grouper ban in Florida and how the species has recovered.


There weren't any plants, let alone animals, a billion years ago.


Microbes where hunting and fucking by that time.




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