> I'm unconvinced and be hard pressed to be.

The leaders do bad things whether or not a few gay people join or get exemptions. Why are you not convinced of that?

> This is absolutely not true and is literally the entire reason people go to great lengths to do it.

I said if you don't take the gay option, your fate is the same as if you had never been asked. You do military service or go to jail, like everyone else.

You're talking about taking it. Of course it's different if you take it.

> The leaders do bad things whether or not a few gay people join or get exemptions.

I'm convinced of this. But this is not what you said.

In fact, that's kinda the theme of this conversation and the one you're having with others

When I said "otherwise nothing changes", what did you think I meant?

I thought it was reasonably clear I was talking about how this gay exemption plays out, not the entire world of possibilities.

And for the line that says "your fate is the same", I made that very direct and explicit and you somehow skipped half of the sentence to interpret it in an entirely different way. That one is definitely not my fault.