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Jon Stewart has a crusade against MSM for their role in the US-Iraq War. Is he dogwhistling to the far right when he uses the term?


Knowledge alone is enough to say thank you. There would be no need to be so careful in saying a simple thank you.


It wasn't. The downvote told me that here is the place to be careful about saying thank you. Well, those who downvote against thank you will downvote anything.


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Please provide evidence that the term "mainstream media" has its origins in far right politics.


No one has claimed that the term "mainstream media" has its origins in far right politics. The claim made upthread is that the term "mainstream media" is a dogwhistle term often employed by the right wing.

I will not be providing evidence of that, as ample enough evidence for that can be found easily with a simple internet search.


I really try to avoid getting sucked into political arguments online, but what you're saying is so absurd and deranged that I can't let it go.

First of all: what exactly do you think the term "dogwhistle" means? Are you suggesting that when RWers say "mainstream media", they really mean something else? To what are they referring?

Secondly, you're going to have to tell me what terms to search for because I just performed several "simple internet searches" and I see no evidence of what you're claiming.

Thirdly, what can be found easily with some simple searches is that "mainstream media" is an extremely common term that's widely used by everybody left, right and center.

E.g. here's Bernie Sanders talking about the "mainstream media":

https://twitter.com/BernieSanders/status/1300868741815848961

https://twitter.com/BernieSanders/status/747100126183755783

Here's the NYT talking about the "mainstream media":

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/09/opinion/mainstream-media-...

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/12/opinion/ezra-klein-podcas...

Here's The Guardian talking about the "mainstream media":

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/dec/09/whats-...

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/dec/09/whats-...

Here's CNN talking about the "mainstream media":

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/01/26/opinions/newsroom-layoffs...

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/01/20/politics/ron-desantis-mai...

Here's the Morning Star (a far-left newspaper that was originally founded by the Communist Party of Great Britain) talking about the "mainstream media":

https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/f/stopped-clocks-and...

https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/john-pilger-will-be-...

Why are you making things up?


Please make your substantive points without name-calling or swipes (e.g. "absurd and deranged").

This is in the site guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.


>First of all: what exactly do you think the term "dogwhistle" means? Are you suggesting that when RWers say "mainstream media", they really mean something else? To what are they referring?

No. In fact, I explicitly said the opposite in my comment. Although the term was popularized by the right wing in reference to their belief in a vast leftist conspiracy controlling all forms of media (the thesis under which Fox News was born and the premise by which it claims to be the only valid news source for the right), obviously not every instance of every right winger using the term uses it within that context. However the context does exist and is often employed in right-wing speech.

But given your tone, the fact that you obviously didn't bother to read my comment in good faith, and your personal insults towards me, I won't be engaging with you or your comment any further.




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