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Self inflicted wound in the middle of several days of scheduled depositions.

Just about as suspicious as could be.




I'm not convinced. Boeing doesn't want more attention, depositions are stressful, and whistleblowers are predisposed to martyrdom. If you're Boeing, this doesn't make the problem go away, it makes it worse.


if you are Boeing the company that would be stupid sure

but what about some specific arbitrary high level figure from Boeing?

One which if the person says certain things might lose their job because of this or which is afraid to lose more then their job (e.g. due to them knowingly acting in gross negligence for personal gains).


Which one is worse, lose your job or end up in prison?


This was a silly suggestion.

Did you not realize that almost all crimes that have ever been committed, very much including by smart accomplished people with a lot to lose, violated and belied this theory of rational behavior?


It's keep your job and your freedom if you're not caught.


Sure. I guess this explains the size of the US prison population.


Call me back when the US prison population is full of corporate executives.


One thing I've been realising over the last few years is that that prison population is almost completely unrelated to actual crime rates.

My standard example is heroin, which is in the most severe rating category of illegal drug. In the UK, the number of users of just that drug on its own is close to triple the entire prison population.


You don't end up in prison if there isn't anyone to testify against you.


Reminds me a bit of Death Note.


So, you kill all the people investigating this death as well? Spund logic, really, sound logic...


This is the calculus for every crime, and yet somehow crimes happen.


> this doesn't make the problem go away

what if they have bigger problems in the pipeline. It could estimated to be worth exacerbating this issue if it discourages the next.


What if they don't?


All that means is that the murder wouldn't be rational. Do you expect rationality from the executives that gutted one of America's best companies?


You're talking about a company that shipped MCAS in its new planes without training pilots on what it was or how it worked, resulting in the deaths of hundreds of people.

So, an argument that this murder wouldn't be rational, gives me zero confidence that it didn't happen.


Pilots were trained in how to deal with runaway stab trim. There were three MCAS incidents. The first one you never hear about because the crew followed the runaway trim procedure and safely completed the flight. The second one did not and they crashed. The third received an Emergency Airworthiness Directive that reiterated the procedure, apparently forgot about it, and crashed.

Yes, the MCAS design was defective. The crews didn't follow their training, either.


Like it or not, it's the truth.


For the long game, Boeing has just increased the price of whistleblowing for any would be blowers.


You shouldn't be convinced, no one has presented any evidence of anything happening or not happening. Being suspicious means the situation warrants investigation.

If there were foul play, the person who made the decision may not agree that this is worse for Boeing, or may not even care about what effect it has on Boeing at large. Being accused of something no one can prove might be greatly preferable to having specific evidence come to light, especially if the scrutiny will fall on a massive company instead of on you in particular.


Boeing doesn't order assasinations. If he was assasinated, it might have been someone at Boeing, who still has a clean slate but knows that the whistleblower knows something he did, and has the right connections from working for a defense contractor.


I wouldn't be so sure. It's well documented that the CIA take a "keen interest" in Boeing (and indeed that European security services do so with Airbus), undertaking corporate espionage and sabotage on their behalf. They consider aerospace to be "strategic" or some such.


> Boeing doesn't want more attention

The US also doesn't want Boeing carried through the mud.


Who says it was Boeing? They're a publicly traded company; many would stand to lose a great deal of money should they go under.

Then there are those that stand to gain from added chaos.

Time may never tell, but let's not pretend people aren't motivated to do worse for less.


Have you ever been deposed?

It's an incredibly stressful process, and he's already going through the hell of being a whistleblower.

I'm sure Boeing was ready to depose him more and more in order to try to get him to shift his story.


Have you ever shot yourself?

Certainly people have committed suicide in stressful situations, but there is no situation where it makes sense that someone would kill themselves, and countless people get deposed who don't.

Continuing to depose someone to get them to shift their story is a reasonable strategy if their story can't be backed up by evidence and you aren't worried about anything coming out in the testimony. It's a terrible strategy if the witness is about to reveal where the skeletons are buried.


Thank you. You put it far better than I could. And this man was in the right position to know exactly where they all were.

A Quality Manager's entire job is to investigate and track why everything bad happens, and when they aren't allowed to fix it, who is responsible for the decision to intentionally not fix, and the rationale provided to justify an overrule. Though I've heard in some strange foreign lands (safety critical industries), the Quality Department isn't hamstrung by being worked around by a member of the C-Suite.


Agreed. This has red flags all over it.

I've been predicting that companies would turn into criminal gangs sooner or later. Corporations can be shielded from liability when this happens. One executive could end up charged with a crime but the company itself can always paint them as a rogue agent who acted independently.

IMO, this will keep getting worse. Commodification of scapegoats.


> I've been predicting that companies would turn into criminal gangs sooner or later.

When have they not? This is literally the entire point of limited liability for hundreds of years. Goes back to the East India Company.


I've said before that any sufficiently powerful corporation is indistinguishable from a government. The East India company was a good example, they had their own army & fought wars of conquest.


Yes, there were very few such corporations before and they were not at the core of a nation's economy as they are today. The fact that they failed spectacularly should have been a lesson for us to avoid them! Instead, we've enshrined the concept of corporate personhood into law.

Kind of insane to think that we have a construct which at the same time claims that a corporation is a person but also that the corporation is not liable to legal prosecution for its crimes as a person is. I.e. a corporation itself cannot go to jail as a person can. The corporation can do whatever it wants and continue operating unimpeded so long as it can keep finding new people to serve as scapegoats.

Imagine if some people would have the same rights as corporations; the bosses of mafias could assassinate anyone, pay a fine, throw a scapegoat under the bus and continue 'business' as usual. Police couldn't even reach a plea deal with the scapegoats because no matter what information the scapegoats revealed about the big boss, it would be inadmissible because actually, in that very special case, the big mafia boss is not a person but, conveniently, an abstract entity and therefore it cannot physically go to jail. How about shutting down their operations for x amount of time? That should be the bare minimum... It could be applied to corporations, why is it not?


> I've said before that any sufficiently powerful corporation is indistinguishable from a government

Where do you think the "lobby money" comes from ? /s


> I've been predicting that companies would turn into criminal gangs sooner or later.

Always_has_been.gif

I mean, nestle still exists, as does the entire financial and energy industries.


There is no handy 24-hour surveilled jail cell for him to be in




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