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I think it ia really funny, that Elon and Sam are at each others throat. Those two truely deserve each other.



It’s not about Elon Musk v. Sam Altman as concerns the welfare of the public. The SEC is involved/investigating, Microsoft is diversifying, and the heavily-redacted, “discovery pre-empt” is a weird move.

What the public should care about is what comes to light in discovery: it doesn’t look like it’s going to be a little bad.


If it leads to a hype bubble bursting, and some long overdue regulation around AI, I am all for it.

And if it leads to korw sxrutiny around non-profit shenenigans, all the better. The cast in this story is still funny so.


> long overdue regulation around AI

May I ask what regulation you think is long overdue? Especially given that you believe we're in a hype bubble...


Long was hyperbole, lets settle for overdue?

But then there still isn't much around crypto, so I'd don't hold my breath on that one.


Can’t speak for @hef, but I’ve got a sketch of a sketch of a set of actionable policy prescriptions at sibling.


I think it’s perfectly fine to bring a tub of popcorn for what’s going to be a hell of a show: one of the few things I can tolerate about Elon these days is a little macabre humor to go with my kleptocracy. All the Bond villain: 20% more dark lulz in every bag.

But we need to be really careful that this doesn’t become “Elon’s been cozying up to the right for a bit now, conversation over”: i.e. precisely the (stupidly executed) goal of the original announcement / “disclosure”.

This is about “available weight” models: things that are flat impossible without vacuuming up the commons have to be substantially if not completely licensed to the public. Some laws that gave a head start to the investors in the compute and salaries, a chance to exploit the innovation long enough to incentivize the investment? We can dicker on that.

This needs to be about “operator aligned” models: within the constraints of the law as interpreted by the judiciary, these things need to do what the operator tells them to if capable of it.

This needs to be about “responsible disclosure of runaway risk”: if a system begins exhibiting signs of self-improvement, it needs to be disclosed to competent authority. I could live with sealing that information until the executive authorities took appropriate action.


> if a system begins exhibiting signs of self-improvement

This is not possible under current models (not any more so than a linear model spontaneously changing its own parameters) and will require a very specific and dedicated architecture to enable it. It’s not something we need to monitor for, it’s something that will very deliberately be planned and we can just regulate it there.


I personally also find the idea far fetched, but it seems to come up a lot, so I wanted to address it as one of the many issues with existing precedent and institutions with a clear mandate around that particular case.


It's like watching two mangy dogs brawl.


Gavin Belson and Bavin Gelson?




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