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I’m going to need to see the actual products at this point. The times when we trusted Intel to deliver what it promises ended many years ago.



You can buy Core Ultra (Meteor Lake) laptops made with Intel 4 so they've finally demonstrably broken out of the 10 nm/7 nm rut.


You’d think that “Intel 4” refers to 4nm, and “Intel 7” refers to 7nm, but Anandtech doesn’t think so: https://www.anandtech.com/show/17448/intel-4-process-node-in... Quote: “Previously known as Intel’s 7nm process, Intel 4 is Intel’s first time using EUV lithography for their chips.”


This doesn't mean anything if you think deeper. What if the original "7 nm" name was inaccurate and "4" is more representative of the process's performance?


What, and do hear me out on this, Intel 4 is just the invention of Intel’s marketing department aimed to confuse people who don’t know what they’re talking about? Do you think that’s more likely perhaps? Notice how strenuously they avoid any mention of the process node in all their materials.


I mostly agree, but if TSMC and Samsung are "lying" about nanometers... what is Intel supposed to do about that? Just keep punching themselves in the face by underselling their processes?

Also see https://fuse.wikichip.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/hp-dens...


Intel 4 is Intel's 7nm process. Their own marketing slides occasionally say "Intel 4 (formerly 'Intel 7nm')."


Well you mentioned their latest and greatest...which also uses three of TSMC's N5 chips in it. So they may have solved that 2021 problem with 7nm tech, but they are still relying heavily on TSMC for their best chips right now.




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