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You're breathing in car fumes all day, a bit of smoke from 5 meters away isn't much worse.



The floodgates don't automatically open for every possible unhealthy thing, just because we're already getting exposed to one thing. Isn't this a classic logical fallacy / plain obvious?

If you break your leg, is it okay for someone to punch you? I mean, it's way less damage than you've already sustained, right...


The fallacy here is one of equating smokers with corporations who pump out 1000s of times more damaging chemicals than smokers do.

Smokers should be considerate, that's a given, but you're arguing a false premise with hyperbole.


I'd read it as if you had your leg broken, but would be complaining and trying to solve an itch on your arm, I understand people want to be healthy, but starting from the least dangerous, if you're exposed to chemicals 24 hrs without doing anything, why do you get so Robespierre when it comes to smokers


> I understand people want to be healthy

You're overcomplicating it, it's not about that, it's simply fuck them for flagrantly smoking right in my face. It's literally a physical assault, and entirely "optional" / their choice to not give a fuck about anyone else.

There's a huge range of possible things like this people could do to each other which is simply not okay out of basic consideration for others / not being a massive dick. What if I decided I like the smell of some other chemical that's bad for you / proven carcinogen etc, and open this up on a busy train platform. Do I then get to argue technicalities about other unhealthy things too? What if everyone did this?

Is this the point we've reached in society, where we want to argue our right to do such things to each other? Purely out of choice, not even some necessity...


We have regulations on emissions. We ban 2 stroke engines. We have congestion pricing to prevent cars from coming in cities. We ban lead from fuel. We try to invest in public transportation. We build more bike lanes. We use electric vehicles.

An imperfect world is not an excuse for inaction


Surprisingly, it is for me, at least where cars are relatively new and low-emission.

In the developing world, where very old cars are routinely used, the fumes are worse than smoke from individual smokers. In the EU, it is the other way round.


Diesel is a cancer machine all over the world, regardless of the generation, thinking otherwise is madness


"Diesel is a cancer machine"

How come that nations that have more diesel engines don't suffer from cancer more?

In Ireland or Italy, something like 40 per cent of new cars are diesels. In Finland it is less than 20 per cent and in the Netherlands less than 10 per cent.

If diesel was a cancer machine, I would expect Italians to have a lot more cancer than the Dutch. Dose-response is a thing in toxicology.


Exactly, we're already breathing all kinds of dangerous substances from multiple sources, why add another one.

Honestly, since they banned indoor smoking and having people smoke 9m from doors, I don't mind it. What I do mind is people throwing butts all over the place, for some reason, even people who avoid littering don't think twice about throwing their dirty butts everywhere. Every time spring comes and snow starts melting it's so disgusting everywhere.




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