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This. I would also call a 145lb squat and 225 deadlift “completely untrained”

These aren’t uncommon numbers for someone who has never exercised before.



Well, depends on weight. These are reasonable goals for a 160lb person after a bit of working out. Not a lifetime, but not untrained.

Here's the reference I use: https://exrx.net/Testing/WeightLifting/StrengthStandards


This sounds like something a scrawny/short little guy would say to compensate. Tell us you’re insecure without telling us you’re insecure. Your other comments are just as laughable. A teenage girl can dead 405? I bet you have a lot of friends :)

As someone who does actually understand this topic, no untrained person is going to start squatting at 145 or deadlift at 225 unless they want to injure themselves upfront. They would start both with an empty bar and move up slowly from there once they have the form perfect. Untrained people don’t lift actual weight. From there, most would move to a 75 pound squat and a 95-115 pound deadlift.


> A teenage girl can dead 405? I bet you have a lot of friends :).

i think you mean 225, my example number was not OPs starting number.


They're referring to https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39334841#39335590 which is by the same person.


My comment was not to you. Read the comment history of the guy I replied to. I’m referencing another comment he made in this thread.

Geraldwhen:

> You need 0 bulk to pull 405. Teenage girls can do that.


thanks my bad. i didnt see that and yeah its batshit insane


http://usapl.liftingdatabase.com/records-default?priority=10...

405 isn’t even a competitive deadlift in the upper half of weight classes for teenage girls.


Those are record lifts, not competitive standards.


I’ve seen multiple teenage girls pull 405 for reps, yes.

I’ve worked with highschool athletes and it’s not uncommon.


Has it happened? Yes. Is it common? Hell no. The point is you used it as an attempt to belittle someone. Small man energy.

Spend less time watching teenage girls lift on YouTube.


The original post was spreading a gym rat myth that pulling medium weight requires eating more. It doesn’t.

Most of us aren’t Brian Shaw. Most of us will never pick a thousand pounds off the ground. That’s okay. Be realistic with your goals and what it takes to reach them.

To thine own self be true, you know.


Most people have probably picked up more than that in their lives even if they’ve never seen a gym. Have you ever moved a heavy couch?

115lbs as a starting max for a man is a joke. You might put 95 on the bar to illustrate basic form, but you cannot deadlift 95 the same as 495. You’ll start rowing the barbell if you setup correctly on 95lbs just from leverage alone.


Sure, a completely untrained 6ft+ 200lbs male.

Try to get someone under 150lbs that weight untrained and they’d be immovable objects.




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