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Taken by Russia, then rescued, young Ukrainians speak out (npr.org)
39 points by crazydoggers on Feb 8, 2024 | hide | past | favorite | 15 comments



I have an honest question as I know nothing of the subject: Were the Ukrainian children native Russian speakers or is Ukrainian so close to Russian?


Don't at least 30% of Ukrainians speak Russian as their primary language?


In Soviet times people would be posted to places throughout the Soviet Union as the authorities saw fit to fill a position, so you would get Russians in Ukraine, Uzbeks in Armenia, etc. In post-Soviet times some people have assimilated into the local culture and others haven't.


> " ... testimony to the U.S. Helsinki Commission said more than 19,000 children have been taken into Russian-controlled territory or into Russia itself"

Rhetorical Question: What the hell is Russian Government doing?

My Answer: Being an Empire: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojic7zb2EfI - per one young Russian poly-sci student:

> "We have an irrational culture. We cannot fully assess the consequences of our political choices."

Per the young man Russia needs De-communization, and De-imperialization.


i expect you would find such insightful perspectives from american undergrads as well


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What specifically about the article do you dispute?


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Everything is biased. NPR seems to be fairly consistent quality, but I'm always open to alternatives! What do you use instead?


Let's wait for Tucker's Putin interview to get the real story right ?


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You do note the basic difference between taking orphans, from your ally country, as a form of rescue because it will soon be overrun by enemies, and taking kids, which have families, from your enemy country?


Russia considers Donwtsk, Kherson, Luhansk and Zaporizhia the same country as Russia - why wouldn't they, everyone thought they were when I was in high school. Just like the US considered there was a South Virtnam separate from Vietnam.

Operation Babylift took children with parents as well as orphans. So many of the children the US refused to return to their parents.


Ukraine's borders were recognized under international law. It's quite clear the children of Ukraine are being used to swell the lagging population of Russia. These children are sent to re-education camps [2], where they are taught to deny the legitimacy of the Ukrainian state.

"The Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe (PACE) has recognised the deportation and forcible transfers of Ukrainian children to the territory of the Russian Federation as genocide." [3]

[2] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/feb/15/ukraine-childr...

[3] https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/04/27/7399739/


What a bad argument that reeks of Whataboutism.

There’s a clear difference between taking children from their homes and reeducating them at “summer camp” and letting a family adopt and raise them. Sure, the latter isn’t perfect but its not blatant propaganda.


Per the article, both sides are providing the kids rehabilitation.

One man’s ‘reeducation camp’ is another man’s ‘rehabilitation and psychological counselling’.

> According to Kuleba, Save Ukraine has rescued 232 children. The nongovernmental organization counts the United Nations and USAID among its funders. It runs rehabilitation centers for children displaced by war, providing education, housing, and psychological support.


Did you read past the headline? The US wasn't locking those orphans up in a "summer camp" where they are prevented from leaving or contacting the outside world.


They were prevented from leaving. Some of the so-called orphans taken from Vietnam were not orphans, and the US refused to let their birth parents get them back, siding with the American adoptive parents. As reported in the New York Times.




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