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I also think people be overly concerned with the “moochers”. that said we should still dedicate resources to make sure programs are applied fairly and not taken advantage of.



Not all, but many of these concerns are drummed up by people that want to add every conceivable resistance to wealth redistribution possible, and the rubes that believe their fabricated justification. Drug testing for food and housing assistance is a great example. A fraction of the amount of money spent gets “saved” and the rare addict thrown off will probably cost the system more money as a homeless addict. Ultimately, it comes down to contempt for people who have less, and wanting to see them humiliated.


An effective test for determining if reading an opinion is a waste of your time is: watch for language that assigns an explanation to the behavior of others.

Basically: they don’t describe what happened. They describe how other people are less good.

“These concerns are drummed up by people who what to add every conceivable resistance to wealth redistribution possible”

Not the language of an open hearted soul. I’m going to default to “unconvincing argument” as the infinitely more plausible explanation.


> watch for language that assigns an explanation to the behavior of others.

K

> Not the language of an open hearted soul.

Found some.


Amazing the number of people on HN who dislike any measure of helping those less fortunate.


Amazing the number of people on HN take any criticism of some program as dislike for helping those less fortunate.


Please stop hitting that straw man. My hay fever's starting to play up.


If what you consider evil is standing in the way of Marxist utopia, well bud, I think you have your moral heuristic exactly, murderously wrong.


We shoulda leave words like Marxist utopia out of conversations, even communism and capitalism. It shortcut people's thinking.

That said, welfare programs are probably more efficient if they applied more broadly to society as opposed to adding paperwork barriers to people applying for aids.


Evil is a useless term unless you’re discussing fictional super villains or religion. If you think basic assistance is a Marxist utopia, well bud, I think you need to look utopia up in the dictionary and learn what Marxism is from a different source than Newsmax.


Not everything slightly to the left of Genghis Khan is Marxist you buffoon


Yes, wealth redistribution is genteel theft and should be thwarted at every turn.


I love basic income for this. It prevents needing to solve any kind of missuse since everyone is supposed to get it.


A noble dream solution, but even in this case there will be folks who try to collect the UBI of others in addition to their own.


Yeah there's some silly shit that I'm sick of states paying for.

Mandatory drug testing almost always costs more then it saves.


actually the moochers wear business clothing.. the actual homeless are often damaged and addicted people who are stuck in hell loops


The majority of homeless people are at work or in school during the daytime. The people you see on the street are the tip of an enormous iceberg.




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