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Lol. The Chinese fud is pretty hard.

Do you know about this

https://www.swisscommunity.org/en/news-media/swiss-review/ar... https://www.reuters.com/technology/cybersecurity/governments...

So... you are basing your fears on just that, hunches and yet presumably your own government is spying on others and maybe you but that doesnt bother you because USA /five eyes are the "good guys"




No, the general assumption should be that any nation state will take advantage of this kind of opportunity, regardless of whether they are Western or Eastern.


Thats a false dichotomy, a false equivalence- it's just a lot of false stuff


How are the two not equivalent? If anything, for anyone living in the west it's probably less of an issue to have China spy on them than a western government. Sure, at a state security level it's not but for regular individuals I sure would rather have China spy on me since they can't do anything to me directly.


You have at least some civil rights in those countries, you don't in China. Be careful of a layover.


> You have at least some civil rights in those countries

I'm sure the lads that spent decades in Guantanamo with no charges brought against them after being kidnapped based on their watch model will be very glad to hear they have civil rights.


civil rights.... haha

i live under a literal tyrant right now in india. does it really matter if i have "Civil rights" and china and usa and india is snooping on me?

https://www.onmanorama.com/news/kerala/2023/12/02/kollam-chi...

here. this is literally fresh off the oven.

26000 people's internet history was looked with a fine tooth comb in order to find that one IP which had viewed tom and jerry on youtube. youtube wouldnt give information but ISPs are by law or otherwise willing to "help" the police because its a "my way or highway" rule with the government.

so my point is, did i consent to this snooping? i am "supposed" to have laws but "think of the children". next time it is political opponents or dissidents as has been the case.

this isn't just in india or china or usa but everywhere.


The person was talking about "the West" vs China. India is not part of "the West".


>i live under a literal tyrant right now in india.

>civil rights.... haha

I wasn't even talking about you lmao.


I mean, sure yeah don't go to China. That's a pretty solid advice. But again, that's irrelevant for the average western user. Even with civil rights, the potential to get hurt by a western government while living in the west is orders of magnitude more probable than getting anything from the CCP or China. But yeah don't do layovers in China if you are a dissident, though I don't think that's an especially common scenario


what is false?




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