The model 3 and Y sold incredibly well throughout the entire year long after the Twitter/X stuff.

You’ll find out that most people don’t associate the cars with an endorsement for Elon outside of a small circle of internet outrage junkies.

The ones that do tend to be quite hypocritically buying services and goods from companies that make use of outsourced poor working condition manufacturing (Apple/Samsung/Google). It’s only an “endorsement” when it’s someone else buying from a bad man and when you don’t want to buy.

Presumably you’re also petitioning your representatives to cancel support for any SpaceX government contracts because you don’t want your tax dollars to fund SpaceX through NASA/NRO launch contracts?

Whatever specs and price you thought the Cybertruck was was completely wrong.

This is $20,000+ over the initially advertised price with -20% payload/towing capacity and we haven't even gotten to to 3rd party tests yet.

There is no $40,000 truck with 500 mile range here. The specs have come in grossly under what was hyped, while being years too late.

Why would anyone still be considering Cybertruck now? The vaporware even continues for a couple more months since we still don't have a published start of sales date.

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If we get rid of specs and the promises/hype made, what is left is just politics and/or trust in Elon. And you have to get rid of specs to be pro-Cybertruck now because F150 Lightning is available, cheaper and well reviewed.

Because of its design and access to super charger network. The F150 lightning is absolute trash and if the Cybertruck turns out to have similar performance, most interested people will just be skipping electric trucks and going for gas.

My local Ford lots are packed with both used and new lightnings because it turns out people don’t like an effective 120 mile range in cold/hot weather without even brining the joke towing range into account.

You can be incredulous at the price, which is fine. But if you can’t possibly imagine why anyone would want to buy this, you’re not trying very hard.

> The vaporware even continues for a couple more months since we still don't have a published start of sales date.

Some customers have them now. That’s not vaporware anymore. Put down the axe you need to grind and be happy companies are trying to disrupt the gas truck market, because as of right now the options aren’t moving the needle.

> the Cybertruck turns out to have similar performance

Cybertruck is heavier. It will have worse performance as rolling resistance and drag are your primary losses in modern cars.

> Some customers have them now.

10 employees have them and the website opens 'sometime' in 2024, with the model people are actually interested in not available until 2025.

Tesla is a no-show, and will remain a no-show until sometime next year

> because as of right now the options aren’t moving the needle.

Ford Maverick is doing wonders actually, and as a 40MPG Hybrid, it's probably got more environmental friendliness than most people realize.

Maverick launched at $20,000 as well, so it's a true mass market vehicle. Not like this $80,000 hunk of Cyberwhatever.

Even the $60,000 price is beyond the means of the typical truck buyer. $80k is absurdity.

This aged very poorly. Did you not realize that the opening event we were commenting on delivered trucks to customers?

> Ford Maverick is doing wonders actually, and as a 40MPG Hybrid, it's probably got more environmental friendliness than most people realize.

This isn’t a truck in the category we are talking about. The people who buy f-150,250,350s are not getting Mavericks, electric or not.

I think your confusion might be around thinking that trucks are just cars with an open trunk area. If you don’t tow things, none of this will make sense to you and you should stop commenting.