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I’ll gladly pay for ad free YouTube when google agrees to not track me.

My data is worth way more to me and, obviously, them.




Likewise, i'd be interested in paying for a YouTube experience that wasn't so horribly over engagement engineered. I'm sick of click-bait and header images that are all powered by engagement culture. I'm sick of YT shoving tons of things down my throat just because i clicked on a single video.

Want to justify $14/m? Try giving me feature in-line with me as a viewer or customer. Instead it'd rather drop the service entirely. So they're going to war with me, and eventually i'll just leave.

Frankly though i'm happy to see these moves affect the community. I want to see more competition, and i'd love to give money ($7/m seems good to me) to a company that is more in-line with features i want.


If Google stops tracking you, you'll get recommended vlogs and toddler videos. Getting good recommendations and knowing what I haven't yet watched in my subscriptions is worth my viewing data.


No you wouldn't, toddler videos don't match the video you're watching


What about on the homepage?


Especially on the homepage, toddlers don't buy tracking opt-outs.


I think you're confused with what the other person meant. Without tracking the home page would be made up of just the most viewed videos. Toddler videos and vlogs. Or just the most recent Videos which would likely be even worse.


The confusion is on the other end, it's a made up problem, you don't need any tracking to solve this, and people are not that dumb to be unable to come up with sorting algorithms besides "most globally viewed" and "most recent" Besides, you ignore a use case where no recommendation is even needed, like only having a single video you opened paying without all the junk. No algorithm is also an option


Like what? They don't know anything about what you like so they are going to have to go with the global average.

So your suggestion is to just turn off recommendations? You can hide them from view using the chrome extension unhook if you want to see what that experience is like. I do it myself when I'm trying to avoid distractions but when I'm actively looking for them i turn it off.


"don't know anything" is false, there are ways to get information by... asking like you already have in many media services

And if you can't even imagine something other than the dumb "global toddler average" can exist, then it's just very sad

And I know what the non suggest experience is like, it's great, also removing the comments is nice, but then there is plenty of other rec nonsense that's harder to disable (especially on a phone). So yes, that's ONE OF the options I suggest, though you haven't said what's wrong with it, does it not count as an alternative to toddler average?


So you just want them to track you differently then?

Give me some examples of alternatives for choosing videos for a homepage where you don't track any data about the viewer.

It doesn't count as an alternative because it requires you to know what you want to view next in advance every time.


The more you pay, the more valuable your data and attention becomes. You're paying for the privilege of segmenting yourself into the "has disposable income" market.


This loop has a limit


It generally reaches its zenith when some executives realize they're leaving huge amounts of money on the table by not advertising to all these proven paying consumers. When they realize that, they enshittify the product, make fat stacks and then bounce to the next big thing when there's nothing left to squeeze.

There's literally no context where it makes sense for these sociopaths to not advertise to us. They'd put ads under our eyelids if they could. They'd put ads in our dreams.


> They'd put ads in our dreams.

At that point, people would revolt to the extent money loses its meaning.


I dunno, sounds like an empty promise.




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