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I think the parent poster clearly had some passive aggressiveness in their tone - “what you’re not supposed to say out loud” - but I also think it’s wrong to jump to a conclusion that they wanted to group these people with all Muslims in the world.

As to the question on how one knows that they are Muslims: it is very apparent. The group of people parent poster describes take up a significant amount of attention. They also often come in larger groups to public spaces, making it extremely intimidating to approach them if you’d like to express some differences.

I think it’s a huge mistake to not mention problematic differences under the pretense of political correctness. Berlin certainly tends to do that, and when problems grow so large that they can no longer be ignored, you will have already alienated people who did complain before by not having listened to them before.

This is how extreme right wing parties get their voters.



Yup, 100%. You're not allowed to call a spade a spade anymore. Rightspeak and all that.

Everything is always awesome, and don't you dare go against the system.

I wish we could decouple this wokeness/madness from the political spectrum, ie have centrist parties with more traditional values without going to / having to go to the extremes.

Having traditional values (and I'd perhaps call not being a pest one such traditional value) is not an extreme right thing, believe it or not.


I am in agreement when it comes to lax immigration policies.

Which spade are you not allowed to call a spade anymore? That "dem muzzlems" are a danger to society?


I am the last person to submit to political correctness.

However I ask you like I asked parent, why is their being Muslim more significant than their socio-economic status?

Again, I am not a fan of these hyper lax immigration policies either, but I know the difference between being critical of that and a pure hate for Muslims.


Their being Muslim is more significant than their socio-economic status by the rules of adjective coordination of the English language. Their religion/culture is more of a defining feature of their identity than how much wealth they have. It’s only recently that following this most basic rule has become politically incorrect.

The hyper lax immigration policies are only relevant in so far as they’ve changed the cultural makeup of the people the OP interacts with at their local pools.




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