Express was the default with Node for some years but it was mostly used for APIs to feed front ends. These days lots of people have switched to Fastify but again mostly for APIs.
There's really nothing fullstack in the JS world that can be compared to Rails, Laravel, or Django.
Current fullstack solutions (Next, Nuxt, SvelteKit, etc) in JS are trying to kludge front end components into the server which IMO is a mistake. And I say this as someone who has been doing mostly front end since the 90s.
All of that stuff can be easily added using 3rd party packages, just like Laravel, Rails, Django, etc all have userland addons. https://packages.adonisjs.com
And the fact that these aren't official is kind of the point I've been making. In the JS world there isn't a holistic fullstack framework. You have to stitch it all up yourself. In Adonis, Express, Fastify, Next, SvelteKit, etc.
> But still, nothing really that improves rendering.
Because most people are content with using Adonis' Edge templating with something like Alpine for sprinkling in interactivity, or using Vue.
> In the JS world there isn't a holistic fullstack framework.
This is true for all monolithic frameworks in every other language. Even Rails you have to use 3rd party addons for stuff. It's not feasible to build everything in for every possible use case, so they make it easy to add on stuff.
I think now you're just starting to move the goalposts.
Sharing code is cool but OTOH the back and front end are two completely different beasts.
Trying to use client patterns to solve the server has been mostly a mistake. OTOH separating server and client and using an API to glue has produced a lot of issues too (SPAs, etc).
I think the future is a hybrid model where 80-90% of the front end is orchestrated from the server (LiveWire, Hotwire, LiveViews, etc) and 10-20% is a pure client side solution.
I totally agree (also originally a Rails dev). And with Typescript and Remix I get type safety and auto complete from the database layer (Prisma) all the way to the React UI. It’s amazing.
Express was the default with Node for some years but it was mostly used for APIs to feed front ends. These days lots of people have switched to Fastify but again mostly for APIs.
There's really nothing fullstack in the JS world that can be compared to Rails, Laravel, or Django.
Current fullstack solutions (Next, Nuxt, SvelteKit, etc) in JS are trying to kludge front end components into the server which IMO is a mistake. And I say this as someone who has been doing mostly front end since the 90s.