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You're talking to someone who was convinced Apple was the sole inventor of multi-touch, abused everyone who claimed otherwise, and then disappeared when definitive counter-proof was provided, without apologising. He's an arrogant fanboy (not a term I use lightly), and he's not worth arguing with.



Your comment is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. You made six claims, all of which are false, and none of which you provide any evidence of. To best of my recollection, this "counter-proof" was the movie 2001: A Space Odessey.

Your comment is pure insult, and much worse, you tell flat out lies about me.

I'm sorry that you wish to believe the fiction that Apple didn't invent multi-touch, or that a movie counts as prior art.

But you impeach yourself, when you, and others, run around this site telling such lies about people. Its nothing more than personal attack, and you are in fact engaging in the very abuse you accuse me of. By the way, my "abuse" was describing the details of the technology in question.

I am always able to defend my positions with logic, facts and argumentation. The problem is, so rarely do I get counter arguments, that such defenses are not often necessary. (notice all of the responses to my posts here are characterizing me, rather than addressing my arguments, for example.)

Instead, you guys get into such a blinding rage at the fact that I might dare point out these facts that you have no other ability to respond than to attack me personally.

No response from me, should be necessary, but Hacker News is overrun with this kind of partisanship to the point where you feel comfortable saying something that, quite frankly, should get you hellbanned.

> "You're talking to someone who was convinced Apple was the sole inventor of multi-touch, abused everyone who claimed otherwise, and then disappeared when definitive counter-proof was provided, without apologising. He's an arrogant fanboy (not a term I use lightly), and he's not worth arguing with."

Ah, I see from looking at your comment history, you're attacking me for political and ideological reasons. You're attempting to intimidate me into silence by engaging in ad hominem. Exactly as I indicated was going on on HN.

Thank you for providing such a nice example.


That's impressively wrong, well done.

Here, I looked up the relevant portion of the comment thread for you: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3262469 . You supported your claims about Apple inventing multi-touch with a claim that Apple had trademarked a specific definition of multi-touch - thus allowing you to dismiss out of hand people citing earlier screens that supported multiple touches. You accused at least one of these people of lying. I showed you that you were wrong, that the trademark application you cited had been denied because the term is generic. Hence, other people's examples of multi-touch interfaces were perfectly valid.

Another user cited a cofounder of Fingerworks stating that multi-touch was not a single innovation: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3263335 .

I'm not really sure what 'political and ideological reasons' you think I have - I have no idea of your political history, and have only noticed your posts related to Apple. I am a happy user of several Apple products and, on the whole, admire them as a company despite certain faults. I'm just not a rabid fanboy.

> The problem is, so rarely do I get counter arguments, that such defenses are not often necessary.

Funny how you stopped arguing at the exact moment your position became indefensible, and were so keen to do so before then. I'm honestly finding it hard to work out if you're trolling me or not.


Was Nimish Mehta's Flexible Machine Interface in 1982 while at University of Toronto, as far as I can make out.

Here's the reference, and his linkedin page if you want to ask him to check.

http://www.billbuxton.com/multitouchOverview.html

http://www.linkedin.com/in/nimishm




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