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The damage was done by C++. Java was a step up from there.



Not really since the masses never used C++, Java on the other hand saw massive adoption and did much damage to OOP.


Uh, C++ was huge in the mid-90s. Nearly all your Windows desktop software is in C++ - as were a lot of Web1.0 sites, before they were rewritten in Java.


Let me rephrase then, Java saw mass adoption from unskilled programmers similar to VB. C++ has always been big among skilled programmers, but skilled programmers are not the masses. Compare C++ numbers to Visual Basics numbers and then tell me C++ had mass adoption. I could be wrong, but I don't think so.


Not sure why you say that. C++ seems like it was the lingua franca of non-elite CS programs after Pascal and before Java.


Programmers with CS degrees are not the masses.


C++ was (and is) pretty widely used - even in places where java is now (the dreaded enterprise, yes C++ was very big there too).


Yes, yes they did.




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