I would be happy if you could settle on one version of history and maintain it for at least a century. It seems that historical narratives keep changing with each era. One version was disseminated during the Ottoman occupation, another under Austrian rule, then another during the First and Second Yugoslavia, and now, it appears we have a new version after the war. I hope this is the final one. Have you figured out whether you are Bosniaks or Bosnians? Are Serbs in Bosnia just Serbs, or has the Serbian Orthodox Church classified them differently?
By the way, regarding Bosnian kings, here's[0] the first Bosnian king, Stephen Tvrtko I, who claimed to be the heir of Serbia's Nemanjić dynasty. According to the same Wikipedia article:
> In early 1377, Tvrtko successfully plotted with the Travunians to take over Trebinje, Konavli, and Dračevica, marking his final conquests of the Serbian lands.
So, it appears that Serbs lived in that area long before Bosnia had its first king (and we're still living there - I'm from Trebinje).
Who cares about the history? What matters is people who are alive today. And clearly the Kosovar people alive today don't want to be part of Serbia, and that's the end of it.
No one wins with this endless reaching back in to history. if you search long and hard enough everyone can find some valid (well, "valid") reason to be upset with pretty much everyone else. And all about some people who are long dead.
>Have you figured out whether you are Bosniaks or Bosnians?
Bosnians in Bosnia called themselves and still do Bosnians but do omit the "dobri" these days.
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bo%C5%A1njani
The term good Bosnian (dobri Bošnjanin / добри Бошњанин) was not a geographical reference for the inhabitants along the Bosna River, but it was referred to the population of the entire medieval Bosnia, regardless of religion, which can be seen in various charters of the 14th and 15th centuries during the reign of ban Stjepan II Kotromanić, ban Tvrtko I Kotromanić, King Stjepan Ostoja, etc. In these charters, Bosnian rulers mention good Bosniaks as witnesses.[4
> In early 1377, Tvrtko successfully plotted with the Travunians to take over Trebinje, Konavli, and Dračevica, marking his final conquests of the Serbian lands.
This is exactly what I said, Bosnian King Tvrtko, you omit the part of Tvrtko being Bosnian, living in Bosnia speaking Bosnian language conquered Serbia. Do Bosnians get Serbia now?
Bosnians can refer to themselves in various ways. They have identified as Bosnians, Bosniaks (depending on the extent of their territorial claims), Turks, Muslims, Bogomils, and more over time. I don't particularly mind; believe in whatever you wish. However, it's somewhat ironic to instruct others to learn history when your own identity only stabilized around 20 years ago.
No one, except for you, has mentioned 'dobri.' Furthermore, you seem to have overlooked the fact that Tvrtko considered himself the heir of the Nemanjić dynasty, which was Serbian.
Interestingly, you also assert that Tvrtko conquered a part of Serbia, specifically Trebinje, which is now part of Bosnia. I'm not sure this supports your argument very effectively.
>Bosnians can refer to themselves in various ways. They have identified as Bosnians, Bosniaks (depending on the extent of their territorial claims), Turks, Muslims, Bogomils, and more over time. I don't particularly mind; believe in whatever you wish. However, it's somewhat ironic to instruct others to learn history when your own identity only stabilized around 20 years ago.
Bosnians speak of themselves as Bosnians, that's it. Bosnians have been in Bosnia from time immemorial, as long as there were people in Bosnia they called themselves Bosnians.
>No one, except for you, has mentioned 'dobri.'
'Dobri' meaning 'good', is what Bosnians were described by others and still do.
>Furthermore, you seem to have overlooked the fact that Tvrtko considered himself the heir of the Nemanjić dynasty, which was Serbian.
Tvrtko declared himself heir of Nemanjic dynasty to secure his position.
By the way, regarding Bosnian kings, here's[0] the first Bosnian king, Stephen Tvrtko I, who claimed to be the heir of Serbia's Nemanjić dynasty. According to the same Wikipedia article:
> In early 1377, Tvrtko successfully plotted with the Travunians to take over Trebinje, Konavli, and Dračevica, marking his final conquests of the Serbian lands.
So, it appears that Serbs lived in that area long before Bosnia had its first king (and we're still living there - I'm from Trebinje).
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tvrtko_I_of_Bosnia