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>The second group clearly believes the descent into totalitarianism is inevitable and just wants to hobble those future villains as much as possible (A noble idea if you believe this).

Historically this has generally been the case. E.g. Rome becoming more authoritarian as it collapsed, or the liberal Song dynasty degenerating into authoritarianism from which China still hasn't recovered.




Right, take the Roman Empire. They became authoritarian, despite having a super cool republic to start with. Once the bad people come to power, they put in place the totalitarian stuff as-needed. They don’t need the stuff to already be in place. We are kidding ourselves to pretend we can prevent tyrants from coming to power now that we’ve seen the kind of ethics the voting public will accept, and encourage, and attempt to re-elect.


And UK arresting people for any speech from tweets to wikileaks.

Investigating on rape may get you arrested, speaking up about the govt decisions will get you jailed. As opposed to, you know, actually performing those exactions.




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