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The link is literally just quotes from esr himself, with links to the sources?


I read the article and I wouldn't describe it like this. it has a lot of commentary from the author, and a lot of pushing of their own ideals about what the open source community is supposed to be


Like their own controversial ideals that the open source movement should be "not racist" and "not misogynistic"? Or do you disagree, and think the open source movement should be as racist and misogynistic as Eric S Raymond truly is?

See also:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15513086

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15512415


I'm sorry, I wasn't trying to post my opinions, but rather observations. I think they stand in contradiction to the comment I replied to

And the fact that you're criticizing a position you assume I hold about some other guy's opinions about yet another guy...

I think you're really looking for a spot to jump in here and make your case.


Your "observation" that "I read the article and I wouldn't describe it like this" is a statement about your opinion, which is wrong. What is the basis for your factually incorrect opinion about him? Do you have any idea who Eric S Raymond is? Have you ever researched his long record of racist and misogynistic opinions and public statements, or read his blog? Have you ever met him in person, and talked with him at any length, face to face? Have you actually known him personally for more than 40 years, like I have? Or are you just reflexively being the devil's advocate for somebody you have no knowledge about, arguing in support of them even though you don't actually believe your own claimed "observations"?

Stop trying to disclaim responsibility for what you're actually doing, which is attempting to carry the water for Eric S Raymond, by denying that the article says what it says. If you are arguing in good faith, then your observations ARE your opinions, unless you're trolling. You didn't write any disclaimer that you didn't actually believe what you were observing, and the assumption and rule for this site is that you should be arguing in good faith, not just trolling. Posting "observations" that aren't you opinions is the definition of trolling and insincerely "pushing your own ideals".

So what exactly ARE your ideals of what the open source movement should be, if not being "not racist" and "not misogynistic"? Or are you too coy and afraid to admit your own opinion in public? The vile person you're defending certainly isn't. Why do you agree with ESR in your belief that it's wrong to push the ideals that it should be "not racist" and "not misogynistic", and why do you disagree with those ideals like ESR so strongly and vocally does?

How long have you been involved with the free open source software movement, to have such strong opinions about its goals and ideals? Longer than I have? I send RMS the Copyleft (L) sticker in 1984, when I knew both RMS and ESR, after discussing the Gnu project with RMS personally, face to face, and borrowing a 68000 manual from him to work on some free software.

https://www.gnu.org/graphics/copyleft-sticker.en.html

And also after often listening to ESR, who called himself "Eric the Flute", drone on and on endlessly about his "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle Net News Reader" at science fiction conventions, trying to dominate the conversation and interrupt people with a topic that nobody else was interested in listening to him brag endlessly about. And for your information, ESR never freed or shared the source code of TMNTNNR or collaborated with anyone on it: it was his own failed proprietary closed source "cathedral" project, that he was notorious for insufferably and arrogantly bragging about during the 80's, but never releasing, and finally giving up on because he didn't have the skills to finish and deliver it, and nobody wanted to collaborate with him or listen to him talk about it any more.

Has ESR ever personally hit on your wife and made her say "eww", like this guy documents?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37711005

I've certainly witnessed women being disgusted by his unwanted, aggressive, and gross attention, at many science fiction conventions during the 80's. He also would usually stink to high heaven with this certain stale decaying organic twang, as if the previous day he had wet sloppy sweaty sex, and then purposefully didn't take a shower or change his clothes afterwards, just so everyone could smell it and know that he got laid. Maybe that's just his way of attracting women and impressing men. What would you think if he hit on your wife, and she took him up on his offer?

How and why do you believe Eric S Raymond's racist and misogynistic ideas that you're trying to carry the water for are good for the Open Source movement? Or do you know him personally, better and longer than and I do, and well enough to confidently state that he's not racist or misogynistic, despite all the evidence?

If you're just pretending to deny Eric S Raymond's manifest and well documented racism and misogyny, but don't really believe what you're saying, then Popehat's Law of Goats perfectly applies to you and your trolling:

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Popehat%27s%...

Popehat's Law of Goats

He who fucks goats, either as part of a performance or to troll those he deems has overly delicate sensibilities is simply, a goatfucker.

"He claimed he was just pretending to be racist to trigger the social justice warriors, but even if he is telling the truth, Popehat's Law of Goats still applies."


Don--

I think we're talking about different things. I cannot make it through your response.

I doubt the guy is worth this much of your time.

Best wishes.


If he's not worth my time, then why are you carrying his water?




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