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I don't think that's a uniquely American trait.



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“terrible” is inherently subjective — it differs by personal utility function.


Well I'm English so I can only really speak for us, but there's plenty of glorification of things like:

* Driving on the left

* Our spelling

* Being bad at maths

One other thing that I always think of is Asian culture's use of chopsticks. I'm sure I'll get downvoted for this but objectively a knife and fork are far superior. They use chopsticks for cultural and historical reasons, but objectively knives and forks are better. It's not too different from the Imperial system in America.


> driving on the left

> our spelling

I said objectively worse.

The first very literally isn't objectively worse, the second is at most subjectively worse.

I don't know about English people bragging about being bad at maths, I've certainly never heard of it.

As for chopsticks: they very much are better for some dishes - noodles, either "dry" or in soup, are infinitely easier to eat with chopsticks than a knife and fork. Sushi is practically impossible to eat with any utensil besides chopsticks.

For most rice-based dishes, I think the Thais have it right: a fork and spoon are superior. But that's still subjective - it's my opinion.


> The first very literally isn't objectively worse

It is - it increases the prices we pay for cars because it's different to most of the world. It also means driving in the rest of the world is slightly more mentally jarring than it would otherwise be, and a especially bad if you're driving a British car in Europe.

> the second is at most subjectively worse.

Some are debatable, but some definitely aren't - e.g. hiccough/hiccup. Those are almost always more sensible in American English.

> noodles, either "dry" or in soup, are infinitely easier to eat with chopsticks than a knife and fork

I disagree.

> a fork and spoon are superior

Yeah this is probably true.


> It is - it increases the prices we pay for cars because it's different to most of the world. It also means driving in the rest of the world is slightly more mentally jarring than it would otherwise be, and a especially bad if you're driving a British car in Europe.

That's basically the definition of what subjective means. You think it's worse, from your point of view. There's nothing intrinsically worse about RHD vs LHD.

> Some are debatable, but some definitely aren't - e.g. hiccough/hiccup.

Hiccup is not "American" spelling, unless you're suggesting there were Americans in London in the 1570s: https://www.etymonline.com/search?q=hiccup. Until you mentioned it, I'd never once seen that bizarre spelling, and I grew up in a Common wealth country with first English immigrant parents.

> I disagree.

Which is why it's subjective. That's the point I was making.

Americans get all teary eyed and puffy-chested about their lack of universal healthcare, or, as we saw here, their use of an antiquated, and ridiculous system of measurement - both objectively worse than the alternatives (having universal healthcare, and the metric system, respectively)


> That's basically the definition of what subjective means. You think it's worse, from your point of view. There's nothing intrinsically worse about RHD vs LHD.

That's not at all what subjective means. Subjective means that something is based on opinions that people can legitimately disagree about. The fact that LHD is a worse option in the real world than RHD is not subjective, even if in isolation they are not really any different.

If most of the world was LHD then LHD would be objectively better.

> Hiccup is not "American" spelling

Ok fine, how about programme/program? Metre/meter?

> Which is why it's subjective. That's the point I was making.

Again, not what subjective means. Subjective doesn't mean "people disagree about it". People disagreed on whether or not Earth was the centre of the solar system. It was never subjective.


> Subjective means that something is based on opinions that people can legitimately disagree about.

Yes, and your claim is literally your opinion. Others probably hold the same opinion but that doesn't make it objective.

> The fact that LHD is a worse option in the real world than RHD is not subjective, even if in isolation they are not really any different.

But that's just my point. It's entirely subjective. Just because you think it's worse, doesn't mean that's objectively true.

> Ok fine, how about programme/program? Metre/meter?

I really don't think you understand what the phrase "objectively worse" means at this point.

> Subjective doesn't mean "people disagree about it"

It's not about you or I disagreeing or agreeing, and if that's what you took from what I wrote, you may want to try re-reading it. I agree with you that chopsticks are not great to eat rice with. But it's still subjective.

Subjective means something (in this case an opinion being stated as a fact) is relative to the person making it, and their view of the world. Thus it is inherently not objective.




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