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It is impossible to have cordial relations with China while they are threatening to invade our ally Taiwan, and building artificial islands as military outposts in the South China Sea. The unfortunate reality is that China is now our enemy. That situation will persist and probably worsen at least until Xi is replaced.


If china declared Puerto Rico to be it's ally and started building military bases there without US permission, the US would do more than threaten to invade Puerto Rico, it'd do it immediately


Dude, this is blatant whataboutism. Puerto Rico is in no way equivalent to Taiwan, and I suspect you know that.

Taiwan is a sovereign, independent, democratic nation. The Chinese Communist Party has never had political control over Taiwan. It just claims the right to overrule the right to self-determination of 23 million people because it feels like it.

The Commonwealth of Puerto Rico is an unincorporated U.S. territory, but it could leave at any time. The commonwealth has held four referendums, none of which have found a strong majority for either statehood or independence, so the island kinda keeps muddling along with the status quo. Puerto Ricans are U.S. citizens, and though they don't have representation in the U.S. federal government, they also don't pay federal taxes and have an elected local government.

The ethics of the situation are not complicated. The CCP can't just decide to subjugate an independent, democratic people.


> Puerto Ricans are U.S. citizens, and though they don't have representation in the U.S. federal government,

Delegates vote in committee. It ain't nothing. "Committees is where the real action happens"


Puerto Rico is a terrible example.

Cuba is a much better one, it's not even hypothetical.


> Cuba is a much better one, it's not even hypothetical

America doesn't claim Cuba as its territory.

If China requested parity with Taiwan in respect of America's relations with Cuba (recognition of sovereignty, trade restrictions and no American military presence there), it would be a good deal for everyone.


Monroe doctrine, baby. The whole hemisphere is our territory :)

We've punished Cuba continually for 70 years for having a government that we didn't approve.


>America doesn't claim Cuba as its territory.

Where do you think the Guantanamo Bay torture facility is located?


It's a lease, not a claim. US even sends cuba checks for it.

Not even sure how you can equate a lease of one bay to claiming the whole island. Besides, If china stopped claiming Taiwan was it's territory and insisted on leasing one small base, I think we could all go to sleep better at night.


>It's a lease

A 'lease' at gunpoint is an occupation.

And the US pays a fixed $4,000/mo, which Cuba doesn't even accept.

https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN17200921


The US also doesn’t have bases in Puerto Rico so I have no idea what that analogy is supposed to do.


The US Army has Fort Buchanan in Puerto Rico.

https://home.army.mil/buchanan/


of course, forget the history behind the formation of Taiwan. forget that the US props it up to maintain a military enclave where it has no right to be, in order to threaten China. it's just an innocent independent democratic people that China seeks to assimilate for no legitimate reason!

Even _without_ the historical context it is completely justifiable from a national security perspective to push out the military presence of the most aggressive nation in the past century.

Lastly - the gall for an American to invoke "self-determination" after its track record.. simply incredible. We are what, one week removed from the leaks re: Imran Khan?


> forget the history behind the formation of Taiwan

> where it has no right to be

Would you like to tell us your version of history according to which Taiwan has no right to be? Because in the one I'm familiar with, one of the factions fighting the civil war won almost everywhere but failed to invade that island.

The fact that they've resisted and survived certainly gives them the right to be, by definition.




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