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The excess death rates between anti-vaxers and the vaccinated show that, in fact, the experts had it right all along.

Similarly here, experts are pushing to maintain encryption for the sake of public safety. Weird you think your two examples cast doubt on expertise.

Governments have always tried to maintain power through breaking secrets. But there's no evidence governments tried to do anything but vaccinate and protect their populations from COVID. How was any of that a power play? What irony?


> The excess death rates between anti-vaxers and the vaccinated show that, in fact, the experts had it right all along.

Yes. In your imagination. Because there's no good data on that. He'll, wallensky when asked suddenly went on not having good data to avoid showing how the vaccine passports were a sham.

With that said, there's always some bullshit excuse about security and there's one for this bill. You're just the authoritarian spreading the same propaganda inconsistently.

> Similarly here, experts are pushing to maintain encryption for the sake of public safety.

Lol. No. Experts are testifying in favor. The government said so. And for once, the commercial interests of the companies is not aligned with gov so we don't censor the EFF like we did the great Barrington declaration... But we're not far from calling them names and implying the use of certain tools suggest criminality (see France).

> Weird you think your two examples cast doubt on expertise.

I'm just pointing out hypocrisy. I'm obviously in favor encryption and freedom.

The thing is, just like with my body my choice, I'm consistent throughout and not just when it benefits me.

> Governments have always tried to maintain power through breaking secrets. But there's no evidence governments tried to do anything but vaccinate and protect their populations from COVID. How was any of that a power play? What irony?

Lol. Really? Have you been asleep the last 20 years? The patriot act is also about security and terrorism? Do you not believe in corruption you can see and hear about daily if you only look for a bit?

Government does hygiene theater, gov settles on a beautiful corrupt loop. Companies get bailed out and money transferred from tax payers to them. Media and tech thrive through the lockdown (propaganda, payments, locked in audience). Big Pharma makes a killing.

It's simple hygiene/security theater and corruption. Not a grand masterplan.

But the fact that you stare "there's no evidence the government tried to so anything but vaccinate and protect" shows you're either extremely dishonest or just 100% brainwashed. Authoritarianism at its finest, ignoring what your eyes see in favor of "govs, the same ones we criticize for nearly every other thing, has our best interests at heart, pinky.promise"


The government is funded by taxes. Shutting down a large amount of commerce during the lockdown caused a huge hole in their funding. They didn't want to lose their income but that was the most rational and evidence-based approach. If they wanted to be authoritarian and control everyone they wouldn't have also harmed their finances so drastically.


That's hilarious. "Evidence based"? What evidence for this unprecedented lockdown? China lobbying Italy to do the same as them?

They didn't harm THEIR finances. They harmed those with least wealth. The ones who didn't get grants, or to grow inmensely in those times, those that weren't allowed to work...

Politicians and influential leaders thrived not even having to follow the rules they set for others.


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You're posting in my comments with disingenuous assertions and then crawl back pretending it's about following rules.

Next time, have good arguments and sources instead of partisan FUD. Or go to a place where mods will censor oppposing opinions, should feel very familiar to you.

Edit: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36927440

Go partisan troll somewhere else.


Corporate welfare existed before the pandemic.

I'm not engaging further either. Maybe you could go to 4chan where your unhinged conspiracy crankery will receive no pushback, just the validation you're craving.


. What the hell is this? Concerted effort trolling? Low effort labeling?

Wtf is up with HN and trolls who can't deal with debating.




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