There's the theory that a significant reason why mammals superseded reptiles after the Cretaceous-Tertiary (K-T) mass-extinction event is because the cooler, darker planet prevented reptiles from sunning themselves to clear fungal infections. One of the major reasons cold-blooded animals bask on warm rocks in the sun is to artificially induce a 'fever' to raise their body temperature high enough to break down proteins in fungal infections. Warm-blooded mammals had the ability to do that naturally, even during the very long winter after the K-T event. [0]
Yet, increasing global temperatures have been naturally selecting fungi which can survive at higher temperatures... and the average human body temperature has been decreasing in the developed world [1].
I took a climate course or something in undergrad, and pretty much the only thing that stuck with me from that was technically we are still in an ice age? Since it is technically defined as when there is ice on the north and south poles. For millions (billions?) of years it alternates between there being ice and no ice.
I keep wondering if I misremembered since it's so different to the whole global waking narrative
> I keep wondering if I misremembered since it's so different to the whole global waking narrative
I don't see a problem with both being true: we can technically be in an "ice age" and still experience warming that would hurt us greatly in the future.
Yea people seem to miss the fact that our species development to what we have was fairly dependent on stable conditions within an ice age and that anything outside those specific conditions have never been conducive to any species achieving anything like we have....
But then that's probably because so many don't view humans as an animal species within the greater web and instead view humans as special, whether due to religion or just plain old supremacist ideology the result is the same.
Yes but climate change narratives imply that we are the primary cause and must force change (even if harmful) to begin to even attempt to prevent some of these effects.
We are the primary cause. To suggest otherwise is unscientific and contrary to empirical facts. You may as well say "round earth narratives imply that spheres are the shape that planets tend to be".
What’s the counter-narrative? That the sudden, rapid temperature swing only coincidentally happened after the industrial revolution but were somehow going to happen anyway? That the greenhouse effect is a woke myth?
Despite the common narrative to the contrary, there is no actual hard evidence of what degree humans have contributed to climate change and what will fix it. There are many theories and computer models, but no evidence.
The issue is that history has shown many of these models to be extremely inaccurate.
See below where it was predicted on ABC news in 2008 that the world would be doomed by 2015 (you know, 8 years ago)...none of that happened.
> There are many theories and computer models, but no evidence.
Models and theories are what enabled us to develop all our technological progress. Before, there was random chance and tinkering. That changed when we started doing experiments and to model theories that fit the measurements. These theories made predictions which enabled us to see whether the model was actually valid. Data is worthless if you have no model to plug it in to make predictions from it.
Beside that there are desktop experiments that are so simple that you could almost do them at home that show that the ability of an atmosphere to capture heat is influenced by its carbon dioxide content. These experiments were done over a hundred years ago.
You seem very vocal about the topic. What are you trying to achieve?
> Despite the common narrative to the contrary, there is no actual hard evidence of what degree humans have contributed to climate change and what will fix it. There are many theories and computer models, but no evidence.
Where is all this hard evidence? All I've ever seen are theories and computer models, many of which end up wrong. If I'm wrong, it should be easy for someone to provide the evidence.
Interesting , but the problems is that dinosaurs aren't reptiles and are theorized to have been warm blooded. So probably a better comparison would be to birds
However as far as I understand birds are found in artict/polar climates while dinosaurs were only at high latitudes during warm periods. It feels like there must be some fundamental physiological difference from birds other than flight - but I'm not clear what.
I love speculating about the similarity of hives/nests and cells, bees raise the temperature of the hive if under attack as do mammals for pathogens.
Some ants and termites actually farm fungi, called ant–fungus mutualism, which probably regulates temperature and humidity in the nest as well as providing nutrients.
To me, the simplest explanation for our average drop in temperature is indeed less sick people, which means less feverish people driving the average up.
Yet, increasing global temperatures have been naturally selecting fungi which can survive at higher temperatures... and the average human body temperature has been decreasing in the developed world [1].
[0]: https://journals.plos.org/plospathogens/article?id=10.1371/j...
[1]: https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2020/01/human-body-te...