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> So you decided to personally attack and gaslight people because you have some irrational belief in something that is fundamentally undemocratic and corrupt.

No, I decided that if someone's answer is false enough that it sounds exagerated on purpose, then I prefer to assume that person is genuinely uninformed because the other possibility isn't worth spening my time on.

As for your point of view, the minister / cabinet members / ... Of your governement are not directly elected either, they're named by the people you elected to handle that part of their governement, it's the same principle.

Again if you don't understand this principle then this is not a conversation worth having without you first learning about how representative democracies work, and if you understand it but disagree with it that's your point of view you're allowed it but that's another dicussion entirely.


> prefer to assume that person is genuinely uninformed

You are way too charitable. I found out most people that start a conversation about the EU with accusations of it being "undemocratic" to be simply acting in bad faith.

There are many valid criticisms to the EU, and many things that should be improved, typically with more integration, not less. But keep in mind that eurosceptics are not interested in any improvements, they just want it gone.


No government of significant size can function with full direct democracy, decisions made by the elected members of government have to be delegated and turned into workable solutions by someone. Should all these bureaucrats be elected?

As for the the Commission President, the EU Parliament gained a veto over this appointment. Elected representatives have influence over the position, which is a bureaucratic one.

Using an example of a country that decided the EU was "not democratic" enough and actually left. In the UK people find out about who has power behind the scenes when a scandal makes it to the newspapers. Aside from that the powerful Civil Servants that ultimately decide how policies are put into practice are hidden away.

There is very little scrutiny of the Civil Service by Parliament as a whole, the party in government simply shuffles people around if internal conflicts get too heated.


> undemocratic

I don't think that word means what you think it means.

The EU parliament is elected. The council of ministers is formed by representatives of each member states governments (which are themselves elected).

There are many imperfections (which is expected for an international organization), but most of EU's shortcomings are a consequence of it not being integrated enough.




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