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FYI, “Hispanic/latino” includes a large number people who identify as white. As defined by the Census, these are not mutually exclusive categories.



Assuming the average for white Hispanic is similar to the white population overall, aren't you then implying that the number for non-white Hispanic should be even higher since white Hispanic would be bringing down the average?


Almost like race is designed to deliberately stamp out nuanced ethnic and cultural differences in populations of people that are inherently complex.


I think when Hispanic is listed as an option, white usually is changed to mean that you only identify as white, no other ethnicities.


You are mostly wrong. The U.S. Census, which is the standard setter in this area, draws a clear distinction between race and ethnicity [1], where ethnicity is defined as Hispanic or Latino, or Not Hispanic or Latino. Any race may identify as either.

For example, the Wikipedia to which GP links sources the relevant data from the County Health Rankings (a project run by U of W and Robert Wood Johnson Foundation). The technical documents describe the distinction between Race and Ethnicity, which matches the Census [2].

[1] https://www.census.gov/newsroom/blogs/random-samplings/2021/...

[2] https://www.countyhealthrankings.org/sites/default/files/med...


The Census' approach has apparently not been ideal for a lot of people, and it looks like it may be changing to just have a combined question for race and ethnicity. The problem is that the Census insists that Latino or Hispanic can only be an ethnicity, which doesn't really match up with a lot of people's experiences.

> If approved, the changes would address longstanding difficulties many Latinos have had in answering a question about race that does not include a response option for Hispanic or Latino, which the federal government recognizes only as an ethnicity that can be of any race.

https://www.npr.org/2023/01/26/1151608403/mena-race-categori...

https://www.npr.org/2021/09/30/1037352177/2020-census-result...


FYI, "Hispanic/latino" don't identify as white, but they are labeled as such by outsiders for political motivations.


There are white Mexicans, black Mexicans, and Indian/mixed Mexicans. I’m not sure if you would consider any of them to be Hispanic/Latino, but the ethnic groups exist in Mexico (and other Latin American countries surely), so isn’t it weird that they are collapsed into one ethnicity in the United States? Maybe some weird aspect of immigration physics I’m not considering? See:

- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Mexicans

- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afro-Mexicans

- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mestizos_in_Mexico


> FYI, "Hispanic/latino" don't identify as white

It seems much more accurate to say "people identifying as Hispanic/Latino also identify as white with varying frequency and in varying ways over time and it's complicated also by people of non-white+Hispanic origin." Much more discussion here: https://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/22/upshot/more-hispanics-dec... , https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/should-latinos-...


You are way, way off. 20%+ of Hispanic/Latino people in the U.S. identify as white. Feel free to point to data that says otherwise.

Source: https://www2.census.gov/programs-surveys/decennial/2020/data...


> 20%+ of Hispanic/Latino people in the U.S. identify as white.

When asked a question that doesn't have Hispanic as an option. As another comment mentioned, the Biden administration has proposed changing that question (by including a Hispanic option) to better reflect people's identities.


When you're forced to pick your skin color, what else are you supposed to do?


Race is a fuzzy and unscientific concept, and "Hispanic/Latino" is a breathtakingly diverse category to try to fit people in.

Some identify as white, some don't.




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