The identity of the "whistleblower" doesn't change the fact that it is EXTREMELY unlikely that this has been claimed to have happened in multiple countries over multiple decades and yet there is not a single picture that doesn't look like it was taken with a potato. There is not a single sample of material. None of the craft has ever fallen into civilian hands. All of the involved governments have been able to keep it a secret.
As I'm sure all of you are aware, all of this is statistically improbable to the point that it can likely be safely considered to be untrue. If we're considering probabilities, I think it's far more likely that the US Government is running some kind of psychological operation.
That's exactly what's happening here. This is guaranteed to be a psy op. And the fact that all of this is happening now amid these insanely accelerating advancements in AI tech is not a coincidence. Soon (if not already) they will be able to generate an entire backstory for an "advanced alien race", coupled with AI generated imagery, video, audio and whatever else with barely any effort.
Nothing of what you claim there is true to begin with.
People encountering this topic have a weird tendency to take their own lack of knowledge as "proof" for inexistence of anything worthwhile.
You cannot claim to be an "expert"(in itself a term only referring to human knowledge) in something without actually having checked with other experts in the field.
That’s not true, and that’s the wrong position to take now: that’s just denying the evidence.
That’s okay to do, some people are going to do that for a while and need time. But if you stick to denying, just own it, don’t pretend it’s the truth or reality.
For the curious: There’s lots of evidence in photo and video form, and there are tiny fragments seemingly with advanced metallurgy. These are things that have already made it into the public. Check out the YouTube channel: Unidentified.
What’s missing is “official confirmation”, because the government/corporate aspect is afraid of what they don’t understand and can’t control, so they have to deny it. It challenges their authority.
If this insider becomes or helps beget official confirmation: that would be cool. It would mean we actually live in a powerful state that isn’t afraid of reality, however humbling that may be.
Can you provide any link to good photos or videos evidences ? I've never heard of any advanced metallurgy. Do you have any usefull web ressource for me to know more ?
>Unironically posting ancient aliens.
First video, guy finds small piece of metal with a metal detector. He's a geology professor, but doesn't go into the geology at all, just
"I've never seen anything like this in all my years" ∴ alien metallurgy
maybe.
Second video:
Are there desirable properties to an alloy of bismuth and magnesium? The 'expert metallurgist from New Jersey' didn't say, just that they didn't know of any way to make it. All that really proves is the limits of the knowledge of one metallurgist from New Jersey. There are any numbers of ways that metal might condensate in layers over time, all unlikely to naturally occur, but any far more likely than ancient aliens.
Third video:
Guy literally admits that this is all pure speculation and that no definitive conclusions can be drawn from these random pieces of metal and that none of them are rule out all possibilities besides the existence of visitors with manufacturing technology beyond our comprehension.
whoops, replied to the wrong post. Watched it last night. I believe that guy truly believes. I believe the leaker is real. I believe the programs are real. I even believe they've observed phenomena/ recovered samples they can't explain. None of that is direct evidence of aliens. If the US government actually possesses meta-materials of non human origin, they will never be declassified as long as the potential to weaponize them exists. If they do not, it is still to their advantage for their adversaries to believe they might. As such no position of authority within the US government gives the meat of the claim -nonhuman origins- any greater legitimacy. It makes the claims the programs are real more legitimate. It makes the claims that they have recovered objects more legitimate. But my priors on the likely origin of those objects have not been shifted by any of evidence thusfar presented. At no point has he made any sort of claim as to WHY they believe they have evidence of non human technology, merely asserted that the evidence exists. If it exists and this guy has the clearance, then he should have leaked that. I know he said he's keeping it secret for security but then what was the point of leaking it in such a way as to be indistinguishable from a psyop? All the people like you already believe what he's claiming, and all the people like me won't be convinced by the level of evidence he's presenting. What has been accomplished?
Ha ha ha! :) No, I replied the right one, you need to own your own opinion, but just go to your own limit, and remember you don't know me, so don't pretend you do, okay? Ha ha ha! Good! :)
Oh I was referring to myself when I said replied to the wrong comment. Seems I omitted the subject of the sentence, and you assumed I was referring to you. No one can ever know the mind of another, so we use the things others say and do to form simplified models.
From the things you've posted in this thread, my model of you is someone who has believed the US government to be in possession of alien craft prior to David Grusch's announcement. That is the only piece of information I implied when I said 'people like you', no pejorative connotation. People who already believed what Grusch is saying is true. Was my model of you accurate? y/n
I notice you didn't answer my question on the wrong thread that I replied to. Do you believe the theories of every researcher who has appeared on ancient aliens with equal credibility? y/n
If not, what is your criteria for which ones you believe more or less than others? If you treat every theory with equal seriousness, I would like to know your opinion on the following statement:
"The moon is made of cheese, I have proof"
I have a piece of cheese from the moon. It's well toasted from it's entry through Earth's atmosphere of course, but I've had a widely respected dairy farmer examine it, and he confirmed that it is real cheese. Well toasted cheese does not simply appear in fields such as the one I found it in. The only explanation is that it was knocked off of the moon and fell to earth.
Right, I thought that at first but then I went with the opposite! Gave it to much time to cook, I suppose! Ha ha ha! :)
Ha ha ha! :) A sequence of y/n questions. A human is not a computer, you really don't know people, do you? Ha ha ha! :)
No, I am so much more than you can fathom. Your model of me is nothing, yet people can know the mind and more of another, a skill you have not yet mastered, I see. Ha ha ha! :)
You worry too much, and have not taken responsibility for your opinions, so you are lost in confusion. I could teach you how, but, I don't think you're ready. Ha ha ha! :)
Yes they are. The human brain is a biological computer. Unfortunately, it is not optimized for accurate computation, thus the need for rigorous self-examination of the origin of one's beliefs. To know the mind of another would require 1:1 neural connections shared between you. That leaves no neurons left to be you. Obviously you don't use all of your neurons to simulate the minds of others, you only use some. Therefore, your model will not be perfectly accurate. It might get quite close, but there are some details you don't have because you haven't lived their life, you've only lived your own. Even with the help of psychedelics ;D
My model of you is simple because I have constructed it from the scant contents of a couple of comments. To assume more would be forming baseless assumptions off data I don't have, which would be irresponsible if I value the accuracy of my model, which I do. I don't presume or even really care to know anything about anything else you believe. I am only interested in this one claim in the intersection of our neural venn diagrams, that of the US government possessing alien craft. my yes/ no questions were an attempt to get you to articulate what you think you know and how you think you know it.
I take a great deal of responsibility for my opinions, which is why I will only change them when the source of new information can articulate both the what and the how better than I currently understand them. I told you exactly what I believe on this topic. I believe the leaker is real. I believe the programs are real. I believe they have found things they do not know how to explain. I do not believe they are in possession of alien craft that are bigger on the inside than the outside and can warp time. Basically this https://xkcd.com/2786/
When has there ever been a senior official with a significant reputation coming out like this?
That in itself is 'extraordinary' evidence.
Is this proof that life is out there? No, but if you're not updating your priors, you're not rational.